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Research Speed discrepancy
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:20 pm
by DragonXR6
I have checked my bonuses tab to see that I have a 50% increase in research speed, however I have only researched the 30%. After timing a module research, I found the end time to be 1 minute 40 seconds. I was using 10 labs and had production for the research bottles up at all times. With the 50% speed increase, the total time should have been 75 seconds ((30-15)x(50/10))=15x5=75, which is 1 minute 15 seconds. The time I ended with, however, is closer to the 30% speed increase ((30-10)x(50/10))=20x5=100, which is 1 minute and 40 seconds. I assume the bonuses display is taking ALL bonuses into account, even inactive/replaced ones such as the 20% research speed, resulting in a visual total of 50%, when only the 30% is active. Only a minor issue, but I thought that it would be good to notify you.
Re: Research Speed discrepancy [1.1.87]
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:43 pm
by Loewchen
Lab speed upgrades are cumulative so showing +50% after you finish the second upgrade is correct. Post a save file and describe exactly what you are researching, how long it takes and how long you would expect instead.
Re: Research Speed discrepancy
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:56 pm
by DragonXR6
As I explained before, I was researching one of the modules (Green, though they all have the same research time) and it took 1 minute and 40 seconds.
The default time is 30s x 50, which is 1500 seconds
I have 10 labs, which makes it go down to 30s x 5, which is 150s
With a 50% speed increase, that would further reduce to 15s x 5, or 75s
However, with a 30% speed increase, it would be 20s x 5, which is 100s, or 1 minute and 40 seconds
I did this on stream, and mentioned that if the display is correct, then that would make the actual research bugged, or that if the research node is correct, then the display is bugged. Again there was constant power being supplied and the bottles never remotely ran out, so it didn't ever slow due to those.
Re: Research Speed discrepancy
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:04 pm
by Nidan
DragonXR6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:56 pm
With a 50% speed increase, that would further reduce to 15s x 5, or 75s
A lab speed increase by 50% doesn't equate a research time reduction by 50%. Instead in the time it would have taken a lab to consume one science pack it now consumes 1.5 packs, which is a 33.3% research time reduction.
Re: Research Speed discrepancy
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:12 pm
by Loewchen
I do not understand your calculations.
The tech takes 1500s / 10 labs / 1.5 speed = 100s
Re: Research Speed discrepancy
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:28 pm
by DragonXR6
Hmmm, ah, okay, I see, now I get it. Took me a bit, but I think I understand now. With 50% it turns from 1:1 to 2:1 (2 done in the time of 1), how I was thinking it, but since it works that way it'd be 3:2 (3 done in the time of 2). That's a bit complicated, but I understand it now.
Then, I would suggest maybe a timer saying how long it will take? Like the production lines, where it says how much research you are doing in X amount of time. I've been trying to calculate it myself this entire time, which would make sense why my times have been off. Simply making it so that, once research is started, it calculates how many active labs are running, on top of current research boosts, then gives an estimate based on that.
Currently I still can't figure out how the formula for the percentage works, but I can try to propose one for such a feature.
X=Base Speed (1) + (1*research boost) (this case x=1+(1*50%)=1+0.5=1.5) Y=Research Time (this case Y=30) Z=Amount/Active Labs (This case Z=50/10=5)
T=Total Time. So, it would be T=(Y/X)*Z This case is T=(30/1.5)*5=20*5=100.
Just my suggestion though, as it'd be a nice quality of life feature that would prevent future confusion.
Re: Research Speed discrepancy
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:24 am
by FuryoftheStars
DragonXR6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:28 pm
Hmmm, ah, okay, I see, now I get it. Took me a bit, but I think I understand now. With 50% it turns from 1:1 to 2:1 (2 done in the time of 1), how I was thinking it, but since it works that way it'd be 3:2 (3 done in the time of 2). That's a bit complicated, but I understand it now.
No, with a 50% bonus, it's 1.5:1, not 2:1. (2:1 is a 100% increase, not 50%.)
DragonXR6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:28 pm
Then, I would suggest maybe a timer saying how long it will take? Like the production lines, where it says how much research you are doing in X amount of time. I've been trying to calculate it myself this entire time, which would make sense why my times have been off. Simply making it so that, once research is started, it calculates how many active labs are running, on top of current research boosts, then gives an estimate based on that.
It would be nice, but in the meantime, there is a mod or two out there that adds it.
DragonXR6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:28 pm
Currently I still can't figure out how the formula for the percentage works, but I can try to propose one for such a feature.
X=Base Speed (1) + (1*research boost) (this case x=1+(1*50%)=1+0.5=1.5) Y=Research Time (this case Y=30) Z=Amount/Active Labs (This case Z=50/10=5)
T=Total Time. So, it would be T=(Y/X)*Z This case is T=(30/1.5)*5=20*5=100.
Just my suggestion though, as it'd be a nice quality of life feature that would prevent future confusion.
That math is still incorrect, because 1) it fails to take into account researches with different research times, and 2) you're creating a ratio of active labs, which technically has no bearing on the result.
Loewchen already gave you the formula:
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base_research_time / #_of_active_labs / (1 + research_bonus) = actual_time
base_research_time is calculated as:
Edit: Well, I guess seems the research bonus is like "free" labs, it can also be written like this:
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base_research_time / (#_of_active_labs * (1 + research_bonus)) = actual_time