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KiwiHawk wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:13 pm

The power recipes are now in the regular recipe selector, under the Helmod tab

mrvn wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 02, 2022 1:48 pm

I'm trying to use "Compute by Factory" but it doesn't work like the other solvers.

Can I mark a recipe to use only excess materials, i.e. be input driven?

Say you want to figure out the right ratios for oil production with the advanced recipe. So you add

1) split light oil
2) split heavy oil
3) split crude oil

Recipe 1 and 2 should be input driven and use up all the light/heavy oil. And recipe 3 should get calculated to produce the required amount of output.

"Compute by Element" and "Matrix solver" get this right but "Compute by Factory" produces excess light and heavy oil.

Update: I figured it out. I started by setting the output to 100 Petroleum gas and only then changed it to "Compute by Factory". It then limits the factories where you do set a limit and makes up the required 100 Petroleum any other way. And you can't change the amount of Petroleum produced in "Compute by Factory" mode.

So can this be fixed? The output amounts should be editable even in "Compute by Factory" mode or it should ignore the set amount.

FritzHugo3 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:13 am

Hi, I miss three buttons

01. One button, how we can undo (or together) a linked block - how I reinsert the "convert this recipe to a block" - how reintegrate it?

02. Must I do all by hand from top recipe downer and down the ingredients? are there not a button for automating splitting all to the smallest resource?
For complicate Items this is over an hour work by hand.

03. Where is the button to make the list clear and delete automated the doubled recipes? (so that I haven't 10 times the recipe from iron plates or what ever). This deleting by hand are the next hour work by hand for complicate recipes.

04. it could be so much easier for the workflow that the list don't go always to top if we delete a recipe.

It is really a wonderful and helpful mod, many thx for this but this things is a must have I found, is it in and I didn't find it? Or please put it in the next version - this will be great.

Many thx for the great job.

BlueTemplar wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 02, 2022 12:25 pm

Pyanodons Alien Life's moondrop-seeds for some reason trigger the Recipe selector (and the relatively slow «Wait list build») even though there's only one recipe ?
I'm guessing that it's somehow related to how they make (and take) two distinct sets of items (one fixed, one random) ?

BlueTemplar wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 02, 2022 12:25 pm

P.S.: Also, on the mod portal, Homepage links to GitHub (again, after Source) instead of here. (Then both links are repeated in the long description just below.)

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 am

Relevant to 03: It would be nice if items could be sorted (as long as there are no loops). If new items are inserter before the recipes for it's inputs then adding duplicates would be less likely too.

But don't prevent duplicates from being added. Sometimes you want them because the output of the recipe is used for different things and you want to see the correct ratios for each use.

KiwiHawk wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:47 am

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 am

Relevant to 03: It would be nice if items could be sorted (as long as there are no loops). If new items are inserter before the recipes for it's inputs then adding duplicates would be less likely too.

But don't prevent duplicates from being added. Sometimes you want them because the output of the recipe is used for different things and you want to see the correct ratios for each use.

I was thinking of only doing the sort / deduplicate when in Matrix solver mode. Sorting would fix other issues that currently exist with matrix solver. Duplicate recipes make no sense in this mode so there should be no issue with removing them.

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:40 pm

How would that work? You use Matrix mode when you have a loop so there is no order of items where every output is after all the recipes that have it as input. You have to cut the loop somewhere and as user I would be annoyed if the code puts a different recipe at the top than I picked.

Shouldn't matrix mode be immune to the order of items? Duplicates I do get as being bad but the order of rows and columns in the matrix should be
irrelevant. (unless there are multiple solutions then the order could decide which solution becomes the result)

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:08 pm

But what would be the point of it for matrix mode?

Normally the order is important because an input for a recipe is only provided by another later entry. So if things are out of order then intermediates don't get build. But matrix mode just builds intermediates in whatever order they are, it's why it can work out loops. I would say matrix mode is the one mode where you don't need it.

KiwiHawk wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:45 am

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:08 pm

But what would be the point of it for matrix mode?

Normally the order is important because an input for a recipe is only provided by another later entry. So if things are out of order then intermediates don't get build. But matrix mode just builds intermediates in whatever order they are, it's why it can work out loops. I would say matrix mode is the one mode where you don't need it.

Normally after enabling matrix solver, you can switch back to Compute by element and everything will stay as it was. Matrix solver will have set the percentages for various recipes, as required. However if a product is produced before it is consumed, it's not possible to set the percentage as there is no demand so the percentage would be infinity.

KiwiHawk wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:47 pm

You kind of can. To do this, you have to split it up into multiple blocks though. Each block can be set to calculate by input or by output. I've got plans to (try) change it so individual lines can link by input/output.