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deepdriller wrote:

roman566 wrote:

FishSandwich wrote:

roman566 wrote:Was something done to Laser Turrets? An attack on my defense lines suddenly turns off my entire factory, something that did not happen before patch.

Laser turret power requirement was quadrupled in the 0.12 update.

Replace 'quadrupled' with whatever you say when it was multiplied by ten and you are spot on.

Decupled?
Increased tenfold?

Don't ask me, English is not my primary language.

What I would like to know why such a major change wasn't mentioned in the patch! Suddenly I need at least double my power generation.

roman566 wrote:

deepdriller wrote:

roman566 wrote:

FishSandwich wrote:

roman566 wrote:Was something done to Laser Turrets? An attack on my defense lines suddenly turns off my entire factory, something that did not happen before patch.

Laser turret power requirement was quadrupled in the 0.12 update.

Replace 'quadrupled' with whatever you say when it was multiplied by ten and you are spot on.

Decupled?
Increased tenfold?

Don't ask me, English is not my primary language.

What I would like to know why such a major change wasn't mentioned in the patch! Suddenly I need at least double my power generation.

You might have some mod there or something.
Data file shows that laser turret has flow of 4.8MW - and this is caused by the fact that laser turret is 4 times the size now and it also does 4x damage.
Check your defences to see if you don't have laser turrets on top of each other - technically you should need quarter of them now.

I do not have turrets stacked on each other, I already fixed that problem when 0.12 came out. In 0.12 everything was fine, now my turrets have energy consumption of 6.2 MW and every time I am facing a larger attack, the factory shuts down as it lacks energy. I have over 60MW spare energy generation, in 0.12 that was more than enough to keep 30-40 turrets firing without any problems, now 10 turrets shut down my factory.
I do not have any mods so it's not from that.

roman566 wrote:Oh, I just checked Wiki. Laser Turret had 600 kW drain, now it has 6 MW... ten times more. Did I miss it in patch or something?

Where did you get the 6 MW figure? Hovering over a laser turret clearly shows drain of 24 kW for me. Are we talking vanilla turrets?

From Laser Turret description? I guess constant drain is 24kW, when it fires it takes 6.2MW. I got the pre patch value from Wiki.

Something's wrong there, this might be a bug actually. You're supposed to see 4.8 MW. Is the turret connected to two different electric networks?

Nope. I do have another network, but it's purely for my second factory.

AnEntity wrote:

FactorioBot wrote:

• Changed Assembling machine's auto-insertion behaviour when using speed module effects. Faster speed with fast recipes will insert more items sooner.

I don't quite understand the effect of this change. Could someone give me an example of how this would be different?

Essentially if the assembly machine is using speed modules, then the inserters feeding the machine will load more than the normal 2x the recipe of items. I haven't yet gotten this far to see this for myself, but that's what I understood. I don't know what is meant by the sooner part, though I take it to mean that maybe it will wake the inserters up feeding it before it starts producing an item.

roman566 wrote:Nope. I do have another network, but it's purely for my second factory.

Can you send me your save?

Oxyd wrote:

roman566 wrote:Nope. I do have another network, but it's purely for my second factory.

Can you send me your save?

Sure, how do I do that? PM does not seem have the attachment option.

You can attach it here when replying to this thread.

Ok.

Thanks, there's certainly something weird going on. When you hover over the laser turret icon in the crafting menu, the tooltip will say that power consumption is 2.4 MW, as it should be. But when you place it, it's suddenly 6.2 MW.

Is this map migrated from 0.11 or did you start it in 0.12?

Migrated. But in pure 0.12 everything was fine, I was using turret spam to clear out multiple nests, I did not notice any problems with energy.

I have done some testing on my own on an older save game from that map. The save was from 0.12
In 0.12 my 20 some turrets fired without issues. Power grid did noticed it, but it never maxed out with about 30-40MW power reserve.
In 0.12.1 the same turrets on the same spot caused the power grid to max out and shut down all non-essential stuff to power the turrets.
Nothing else changed, I was next to a bitter base so I just lured some enemies to test turrets.

In both save games turret has shown 6.2MW power consumption.

So I've investigated and this is indeed a bug. It's caused by the Laser Turret Shooting Speed researches – researching these increases laser turrets' power drain beyond 2.4 MW.

Actually no, I'm sorry, I'm confusing myself again. Laser Turret Shooting Speed would increase laser turret's power consumption in 0.11 as well, so it's working as intended. Only on larger scales.

Oxyd wrote:Actually no, I'm sorry, I'm confusing myself again. Laser Turret Shooting Speed would increase laser turret's power consumption in 0.11 as well, so it's working as intended. Only on larger scales.

So, it's intended behavior? Does the research state that it increases power consumption?

Weresmilodon wrote:

Oxyd wrote:Actually no, I'm sorry, I'm confusing myself again. Laser Turret Shooting Speed would increase laser turret's power consumption in 0.11 as well, so it's working as intended. Only on larger scales.

So, it's intended behavior? Does the research state that it increases power consumption?

No, it doesn't. But since Watt is Joule per second and the shooting speed research gives you more shots per second, it only makes sense that the maximum draw should increase. It's still the same amount of energy per shot, just increased amount of energy per second.

The fact the Shooting speed bonus increases Energy Consumption is something that DEFINITELY needs adding to the Research Tooltip. Mainly so newbies know that it's supposed to happen, and not flood the bug forum.

Oxyd wrote:

Weresmilodon wrote:

Oxyd wrote:Actually no, I'm sorry, I'm confusing myself again. Laser Turret Shooting Speed would increase laser turret's power consumption in 0.11 as well, so it's working as intended. Only on larger scales.

So, it's intended behavior? Does the research state that it increases power consumption?

No, it doesn't. But since Watt is Joule per second and the shooting speed research gives you more shots per second, it only makes sense that the maximum draw should increase. It's still the same amount of energy per shot, just increased amount of energy per second.

If it's only cost increase per second (per tick?), then that makes sense. What was said earlier could be taken as an increase per shot, that's what i was reacting to.