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Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:02 pm
by Djmixxx
makrom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:50 am
I consider it a big win for Europe, since they finally got their wake up call at a relatively low price. After all, those daft politicians didn't see a problem in maintaining ties (and therefore dependencies) with Russia even after Crimea.
This is also true for Russia.
After all these sanctions, they understand that it is necessary to develop their industry, and not buy everything abroad.
But in Europe there are no resources that are in Russia and our position is not so advantageous.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:02 pm
by SunWolf
mmmPI wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:42 am
SunWolf wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:20 am
Facts
5. Neither Capitalism, Neither Socialism is by far is not most effective goverment system, most effective goverment system is Monarchy , because only in Monarcy Divine Willpower can be manifested.
6. Most of you , if you observe your knowledge carefully and diligently, you will realise that you know basicaly nothing, your shouting is just manifestion of pride (stupidity).
PEACE !
facts : Plural form of fact făkt noun
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences.
Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed.
A real occurrence; an event.
That's just the notion of agreeing that words have a meaning that we can use to construct sentence and express ourselves. Langage is pride ? Langage require knowledge of accepted meaning of words, shared between individuals. It's even required to write books that people understand and share the meaning of words, like the words FACT.
If you are talking about "faith" then it's something you are supposed to believe without proof, otherwise you are not a believer right ?
Human Knowledge comes from human Consiuosness ( energtical substance, philosophical fire etc ). most of people knoweldge comes from senses, witch is animalistical, animals dont reason he's input, like most of people. most people believe what is written in western journalism rather than russian juornalism, faith has nothing to do with this, just mass uncosniuosness drive that Russia is Evil and Western Capitalism is Good. No Objective Reasoning here.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:04 pm
by Djmixxx
Also these sanctions are a big blow to the dollar. many countries have realized that their deposits in other countries do not belong to them and will withdraw these finances or switch to other forms of payment (rubles or yuan)
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:06 pm
by enterisys
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:02 pm
This is also true for Russia.
After all these sanctions, they understand that it is necessary to develop their industry, and not buy everything abroad.
But in Europe there are no resources that are in Russia and our position is not so advantageous.
And the plan is?
Like why your country has not started developing these industries prior to the sanctions that cut all external funding?
How many industries did USSR developed during Cold War?
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:08 pm
by enterisys
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:04 pm
Also these sanctions are a big blow to the dollar. many countries have realized that their deposits in other countries do not belong to them and will withdraw these finances or switch to other forms of payment (rubles or yuan)
Im pretty sure that was basic knowledge of financial institutions that if you buy foreign paper youre not the owner. Nothing changed here apart from the fact tha russia did not expect these kind of sactions that cut off half of its deposits.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:10 pm
by Djmixxx
enterisys wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:06 pm
And the plan is?
Like why your country has not started developing these industries prior to the sanctions that cut all external funding?
For the same reason why your ( Ukraine) did not do it.
enterisys wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:06 pm
How many industries did USSR developed during Cold War?
Complete self-sufficiency. As far as it is possible under the control of old senile and communism
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:13 pm
by tuhe
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:02 pm
makrom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:50 am
I consider it a big win for Europe, since they finally got their wake up call at a relatively low price. After all, those daft politicians didn't see a problem in maintaining ties (and therefore dependencies) with Russia even after Crimea.
This is also true for Russia.
After all these sanctions, they understand that it is necessary to develop their industry, and not buy everything abroad.
But in Europe there are no resources that are in Russia and our position is not so advantageous.
I agree Djmixxx: I have come across as pretty critical of Russia in this thread but TBH, I am very supportive of keeping the sanctions going for a few years to 'develop' the Russian economy. After all, North Korea has been developing its industries for 50 years without relying on imports and last time I checked, everyone in North Korea was talking about 'The North Korean Miracle' and how nearly everyone has food!
It's like the economical equivalent of a Bonzai tree, you starve it and prune it, and at the end of the day, it will be amazing to see what sort of cute domestic planes Russia will operate!
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:17 pm
by Djmixxx
enterisys wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:08 pm
Im pretty sure that was basic knowledge of financial institutions that if you buy foreign paper youre not the owner.
for this there are guarantees of the emitter country.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:18 pm
by enterisys
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:17 pm
for this there are guarantees of the emitter country.
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Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:19 pm
by mmmPI
SunWolf wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:02 pm
Human Knowledge comes from human Consiuosness ( energtical substance, philosophical fire etc ). most of people knoweldge comes from senses, witch is animalistical, animals dont reason he's input, like most of people. most people believe what is written in western journalism rather than russian juornalism, faith has nothing to do with this, just mass uncosniuosness drive that Russia is Evil and Western Capitalism is Good. No Objective Reasoning here.
You forgot some epoca on the history when these mens were alive :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon
It's not faith that makes people go on the moon.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:20 pm
by enterisys
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:10 pm
For the same reason why your ( Ukraine) did not do it.
Why not? Surely Ukraine produces something seeing it's capable of fighting off 2nd army in the world and not relying on fossils?
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:10 pm
Complete self-sufficiency. As far as it is possible under the control of old senile and communism
10 years queue for a car, sure.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:24 pm
by tuhe
The Russian economy is the envy of the world. Just look at Putin, a lowly bureaucrat who faithfully toils away for decades serving his country, and on his government salary of 140'000 USD a year manages to scrunch away 100M USD in luxury goods and an estimated net worth of a meager 200B USD.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/28/busi ... index.html
Indeed, sanctions are good for Russia, because they will cut it off from world trade and finance, while at the same time being a disaster for Europe, for cutting it off from trade with a single country.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:36 pm
by mmmPI
tuhe wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:24 pm
Indeed, sanctions are good for Russia, because they will cut it off from world trade and finance, while at the same time being a disaster for Europe, for cutting it off from trade with a single country.
Ahh man that's what they keep saying here in Belarus ! Finally someone understand !
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:46 pm
by makrom
SunWolf wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:57 am
makrom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:35 am
SunWolf wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:20 am
Facts regarding 7 Years before to day present Ukraine/Nato/Russia Conflict.
1. 7 Years present Ukraine Goverment was murdering peaceful Donbas Region citizens. Russia was trying as peaceful as possible for 7 years to solve this conflict, insisting Ukraine to Make Donbas independent state and stop any military aggresion towards Donbas.
2. 7 Years NATO and USA ( worth mentioning NATO head is USA political head ) was supporting this bloodshreding civil war in ukraina with resoursces.
3. These Facts is very unknown, especially then this conflict reached such scale as it now, because it will politicaly justify Russian actions in Ukraine, but Western Capitalistical Intelectuals want to have some false cause to limit Russia global activity.
4. America during 100 years, commited lot of militaristical actions, witch if you take them for comparison with presen Rusian/Ukraine, they absolutletly overflow in aggression and will to dominate then Russian actions towards Ukraine. Also despite USA militaristical Aggresions, USA faced almost none of sanctions.
5. Neither Capitalism, Neither Socialism is by far is not most effective goverment system, most effective goverment system is Monarchy , because only in Monarcy Divine Willpower can be manifested.
6. Most of you , if you observe your knowledge carefully and diligently, you will realise that you know basicaly nothing, your shouting is just manifestion of pride (stupidity).
PEACE !
"Facts" according to the completely unbiased Kremlin narrative...
And yet you wonder why the civilized world looks down on Russia.
Civilised World ? Millions death caused by Drugs, Pornography, Achoholism, Agression, Starvation&Poverty. How you can call this world Civilized, actually is very barbarian.
If you want to condemn Russia and dont believe what happened in Donbas, go and talk with people in Donbas, they will tell you, how civilised Ukraine goverment was treating them for 7 years.
Right, and the separatists are a Ukrainian movement with no Russian involvement at all, and MH-17 was shot down by the evil West, and so on. Why would there be any reason not to trust Russian news sources...
Please just go ahead, keep trusting Kremlin media, build up your centrally planned economy 2.0 and feel sorry for yourself because civilized Russia is treated so badly by the rest of the world.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:50 pm
by tuhe
mmmPI wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:36 pm
tuhe wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:24 pm
Indeed, sanctions are good for Russia, because they will cut it off from world trade and finance, while at the same time being a disaster for Europe, for cutting it off from trade with a single country.
Ahh man that's what they keep saying here in Belarus ! Finally someone understand !
Are you from Belarus?! AL got some serious 'embarrassing girlfriend' energy when he is with Putin. In their last meeting where he discussed how awesome it would be if they just traded a lot with each other, it looked like Putin wanted to disappear into the chair.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:52 pm
by Djmixxx
enterisys wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:20 pm
Why not? Surely Ukraine produces something seeing it's capable of fighting off 2nd army in the world and not relying on fossils?
Why then is so much military aid and money poured in now, if everything was locally produced?
But in fact these are two countries with the same Russian mentality and almost the same level of corruption.
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:55 pm
by Djmixxx
makrom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:46 pm
Right, and the separatists are a Ukrainian movement with no Russian involvement at all, and MH-17 was shot down by the evil West, and so on. Why would there be any reason not to trust Russian news sources...
Please just go ahead, keep trusting Kremlin media, build up your centrally planned economy 2.0 and feel sorry for yourself because civilized Russia is treated so badly by the rest of the world.
Can I trust my friend, who fled from Ukrainian peaceful shelling of Donetsk to Russia?
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:56 pm
by mmmPI
tuhe wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:50 pm
Are you from Belarus?! AL got some serious 'embarrassing girlfriend' energy when he is with Putin. In their last meeting where he discussed how awesome it would be if they just traded a lot with each other, it looked like Putin wanted to disappear into the chair.
You only say that because you are an evil westerner. You wouldn't say that in Belarus. You would see things differently. Or you wouldn't see things at all as the famous saying goes.
(sorry that was out-of-control sarcasm )
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:58 pm
by mmmPI
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:55 pm
Can I trust my friend, who fled from Ukrainian peaceful shelling of Donetsk to Russia?
Yes you can trust him. There are reports of civilians casualties from both side since 2014 it only escalated. But you also have to realize that he is maybe not the most neutral sources on the subject. You do not know someone from the other side too ? It makes the war look even more tragic
Re: We support Ukraine
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:59 pm
by tuhe
Djmixxx wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:55 pm
makrom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:46 pm
Right, and the separatists are a Ukrainian movement with no Russian involvement at all, and MH-17 was shot down by the evil West, and so on. Why would there be any reason not to trust Russian news sources...
Please just go ahead, keep trusting Kremlin media, build up your centrally planned economy 2.0 and feel sorry for yourself because civilized Russia is treated so badly by the rest of the world.
Can I trust my friend, who fled from Ukrainian peaceful shelling of Donetsk to Russia?
Where and when specifically?