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bobingabout wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 7:00 pm

ukilop wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:38 pm

assuming the random icon generation could be used by modders?
would love to see random icons like that for all of bob's and angels' ores

I'd do it.
I'd do it now, but the question is, does the game engine support this yet? if so, how do I use it?

icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore.png",
icon_variations =
{
  { icon_size = 64, icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore-1.png" },
  { icon_size = 64, icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore-2.png" },
  { icon_size = 64, icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore-3.png" }
},

Pure speculation: Smooth animations for arbitrary angles. Example: with single degree precision you couldn't rotate 90° over 60 ticks smoothly.

ahydra447 wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 9:39 pm

For some reason I don't like the idea of random ores. I think mainly because it would make it hard to see at a glance the number of items. At the end of the day, the icon is just a representation of "there is an item of this type", no particular need for it to look pretty.

mrtyman wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 10:22 pm

New resources look great, but I have one functionality concern:

With these slight variations, it may be harder to tell when a belt is fully compressed vs slightly uncompressed. I have yet to use the new system so I don't know, but that's one downside I forsee.

If belt compression is tested to be easily identifiable with the new system, then I have no concern. If not, however, I recommend a toggle for the old sprites or some other reasonable substitute to make belt compression easily visible.

Thank you!

Ultros wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 3:52 pm

Twinsen wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 1:15 pm

I used to do game logic with integers only for a previous job and it was a pain. It's a huge game design limitation that is not worth it.
Avoiding floating point problems is not a big deal.

As a developer (but not game), can you elaborate why that is the case?

I can't see something like the angle of an inserter requiring more than single-degree precision.

V453000 wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 8:28 pm

Not supported yet. Currently it's defined this way in our branch:

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icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore.png",
icon_variations =
{
  { icon_size = 64, icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore-1.png" },
  { icon_size = 64, icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore-2.png" },
  { icon_size = 64, icon = "__base__/graphics/icons/mip/iron-ore-3.png" }
},

map coordinates are defined in milimeters and microtiles and unit health pools are 330000/330000.

pavlukivan wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 2:00 pm

The new icons look glorious, but I'd prefer coal to be darker for more contrast with stone.

Twinsen wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 1:15 pm

Tahg wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:58 pm

I'm surprised integers weren't used for inserters, and anything else that shouldn't accumulate error.

I used to do game logic with integers only for a previous job and it was a pain. It's a huge game design limitation that is not worth it.
Avoiding floating point problems is not a big deal.

bobucles wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 11:33 pm

map coordinates are defined in milimeters and microtiles and unit health pools are 330000/330000.

Well. A computer's internal value and a game's display output are by no means required to be the same value. 330000 internal can just as easily be 330 with a hidden decimal on the output. A float's going to hide that extra 0.00000021617236 anyway.

Indeed there are valid reasons to use floating point numbers, but almost everything that happens in terms of game mechanics really shouldn't. I mean, how many FFFs uncover yet another bug that is entirely due to the wonkiness of floats?

bobucles wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 8:53 pm

Pure speculation: Smooth animations for arbitrary angles. Example: with single degree precision you couldn't rotate 90° over 60 ticks smoothly.

Then your smallest unit isn't tiny enough. A good 64 bit integer can map every millimeter from the core of the sun out to Pluto and an ordinary clock has 43200 positions for the hour hand.

aljo wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:41 am

I think there might be *some* situations were you don't necessarily have whole pennies, but generally speaking it's a solid approach.