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KatherineOfSky wrote: ↑

Fri May 15, 2020 6:20 pm

Are you going to keep the level with the car/biters?

Klonan wrote: ↑

Fri May 15, 2020 6:30 pm

KatherineOfSky wrote: ↑

Fri May 15, 2020 6:20 pm

Are you going to keep the level with the car/biters?

No, we decided just the first 2 levels are worth it,
The biter car combat level... wasn't very fun,
And the level after starts introducing oil processing and starts getting too deep, especially for a demo

So we decided to end it with the broken rail level,
It gets the players to the point where the midgame just gets rolling, (I think the early-midgame is some of the best fun), so it really gives a real taste of what more there is to come

nuke_it_from_orbit wrote: ↑

Sat May 16, 2020 1:10 am

Klonan , I'm glad you responded. I feel very strongly about this. I think you should use all the demo levels and even consider adding more for 1. for bots 2. for nuclear power & rocket silos.

You can find my feedback in this reddit post. Please FWD to the other Factorio devs. Thanks.

https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comme ... ls/fqqpnkp

I LOVED the car level. Here's why. Factorio is a game about problem solving. I initially attempted to win the car level by building a small base on a land bridge across water. The base could barely fit assemblers and turrets but I was trying to automate ammo production while using the car as a gun truck to take out bases. It wasn't working. Then I realized I could build defender bots and I tried skipping the base building portion. I killed every biter.

It was one of those "oh! that's how you do it!" moments which is the CORE of factorio game play. It make me sad other people may miss these opportunities.

reddit post wrote:For me personally I would not have bought factorio if not for the v.16 demo, and it makes me really sad that others may miss this enjoyment.

reddit post wrote:I still don't understand why they don't just xfer the entire v.16 demo to v.18.

First Steps
Level 1 = learn to mine, craft stone furnaces
Level 2 = smelt, and power gen
Level 3 = get radars and scan

Level 4 = automate science & build car, travel to distress signal via car
Level 5 = Arrive at abandoned base, re-build smelters, train network, stockpile supplies and car and leave base in car for new hope
Level 6 = Car only level (this was so fun!!!) Battle through hordes of biters to collect rocket parts
Level 7 = Oil / plastic production, engine, electric engine, lubricant - stockpile supplies and craft AIRPLANE to escape area

juliejayne wrote: ↑

Sat May 16, 2020 9:21 am

The New Hope demo levels/tutorial is fine, except that it begs the question of Backstory.

Who was here before us? ---> Why another engineer, of course. And apparently a foolish one.
Where is/are they now? ---> Dead?
Can we locate/rescue them? ---> Haven't seen any necromancy in Factorio, but maybe we can find the corpse and loot it?

If the Biters got so upset that they killed them, then why have the Biters calmed down again? ---> Because all the pollution has dissipated.
What is the story of the Biters? ---> The natives and winners of the evolution race on Nauvis.
Why are they happy to sit around being peaceful until we arrive? ---> Because they have nothing else to do?
If they calm down after killing us how do they/ why do they de-evolve? ---> Because evolved biters eat too much. Presumably producing bigger biters is what they do to answer threats and when the threat is gone, they go back to the cheaper, more peacefull "civilian" version.

Not all of this needs, or perhaps could be answered, but some of it needs to be filled in, surely?

Eiermann wrote: ↑

Sat May 16, 2020 5:24 pm

I would separate the resources in Level 05 because it would just confuse new players when you end up with a mixed up belt and everything gets stuck.

Bilka wrote: ↑

Sat May 16, 2020 5:04 am

Was never part of the demo. We are now adding Level 4 and 5 to the demo, so the new demo will have more content than the 0.16 demo.

nuke_it_from_orbit wrote: ↑

Sun May 17, 2020 12:39 am

My point is, regardless of demo content, why not just restore the entire new hope campaign for retail version. It was a fun memory.

nuke_it_from_orbit wrote: ↑

Sun May 17, 2020 12:39 am

My point is, regardless of demo content, why not just restore the entire new hope campaign for retail version. It was a fun memory.

You could even have the airplane "fly" to "a secure location suitable for base building and defense" and dump the player into freeplay with the goal of builiding the rocket silo.

EnerJi wrote: ↑

Fri May 15, 2020 6:29 pm

Are there significant improvements to blueprints still planned? I'm still on 0.17 stable and I'm really looking forward to a proposed blueprint revamp that I thought I read about months ago?

The 0.17 blueprints implementation confuses, irritates, and bothers me in tons of small ways with the overall effect that I really despise using them despite knowing that I need to in order to advance my factory.

Rseding91 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:01 pm

If only you both knew the insane complexity, bugs, corrupt saves, and still the blueprint library is just a wrapper around the blueprints and books which are items.

The game has no concept of world<>cursor interaction outside of items. All cursor interaction is done as items with items. Because that's how everything is written. Every time you click anything in the blueprint library the game materializes it as an item so it can actually make sense of it and use it with everything. Then it throws that away when you clear your cursor.

It makes no sense to try to tear down the fully functional, heavily tested, and known working item logic when it works perfectly. I've managed to avoid using the blueprint library for my blueprint needs since its creation without a single problem. To want to stick *more* stuff into that broken spiderweb of logic just makes no sense to me.

iamwyza wrote: ↑

Sun May 17, 2020 5:09 pm

Maybe it's just a trick of the eyes due to how the cliff was angled and the bot flying away left, but it feels like the particles from the grenade are falling up and left in that last image. (or maybe that's intentional to have stuff behave that way depending on the direction of the throw and the thing being exploded.)

Klonan wrote: ↑

Sun May 17, 2020 9:01 am

If we had more time, we would definitely do it,
But we don't have enough time any more.

Your suggestion of just "Add it all back and then add more" is great, I would love to add more campaign levels,
However we need to finish in time, so we're settling for just the 2 most memorable and requested levels.