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Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:54 pm
by Artman40
If you look at production graphs, you'll notice that majority of lines in the dynamic graph representing objects tend to be near the bottom and often it's hard to tell them apart. It would be nice to turn on/off a logarithmic graph so it would be easier to see them.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:46 am
by Nemoricus
This would be a very nice option to have.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:55 am
by Artman40
Question: Does it need rough numbers or something else on the side of the graph?
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:49 pm
by ssilk
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viewtopic.php?f=80&t=19987 More Game Information (Statistics, Monitoring, Graphs)
Logarithmic scaling for graphs
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:47 pm
by Rakshasa
Add option to view production/fluid/etc graphs with logarithmic scaling.
Why? Because of obvious.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:27 pm
by Koub
[Koub] Merged into older topic with same suggestion.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:20 pm
by goodolrock
+1, please! Registered on the forums to make this request myself.
Why: It enables you to easily compare production/consumption patterns across items with volumes at different orders of magnitude. E.g., is /how is this cyclical pattern in my copper plate production impacting my production of satellites? With a log scale, you can easily see the relevant changes where on a linear scale the item with lower volume would look like a nearly flat line.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:55 am
by Koub
Despite our brains are working more on a logarithmic scale, I find it very difficult to read a logarithmic graph. I can understand it, but it needs significant effort and continuous translation, whereas regular linear scale reads by itself.
As long as default graphs are linear and people choose explicitely log display when they know what they are doing, I'm fine with it.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:39 pm
by BlueTemplar
I think that while our subconscious does work on log scale (including senses, like sight, hearing...), but our conscious mind is instead much better at handling linear scale ?
(+1 anyway, for previously cited reasons.)
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:44 pm
by coppercoil
Koub wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:55 am
Despite our brains are working more on a logarithmic scale, I find it very difficult to read a logarithmic graph. I can understand it, but it needs significant effort and continuous translation, whereas regular linear scale reads by itself.
As long as default graphs are linear and people choose explicitely log display when they know what they are doing, I'm fine with it.
I mostly use production graph to ensure everything is ok regardless of absolute values, neither linear nor logarithmic. I just want to know whether production is stable or it’s rising, or falling, or stopped at all. If the graph is falling unexpectedly, I go to check production line even without looking at the numbers, so there’s no effort to decode the complex scale. But. I’s impossible to notice any production change if almost all lines are concentrated into 5 pixels in the very bottom. Now I have to switch off top production one by one until I examine all important things. That’s awkward. I want to see ALL production graphs at once. Logarithmic scale allows it.
Nevertheless, linear scale is useful too. I want them both. How about a simple checkbox on the corner?
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:58 pm
by valneq
+1 for opt-in logarithmic scale on production and consumption statistics.
Default should stay linear scale. Otherwise too many people unfamiliar with logscales will be too confused about what they see in the statistics.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:21 pm
by Olacken
+1 for an opt-in option aswell
Also is it possible to modify vanila gui with mods cause if it is maybe I will do it myself
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:18 am
by planetmaker
+1 from me as well. As an option or toggle button that would definitely help to get a better view of the different production levels
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:22 pm
by jockeril
planetmaker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:18 am
+1 from me as well. As an option or toggle button that would definitely help to get a better view of the different production levels
Adding my +1 to this as well - I think it's useful and important cause I get into the same issue of removing the top producers one- by-one too
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:25 pm
by jockeril
coppercoil wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:44 pm
I mostly use production graph to ensure everything is ok regardless of absolute values, neither linear nor logarithmic. I just want to know whether production is stable or it’s rising, or falling, or stopped at all. If the graph is falling unexpectedly, I go to check production line even without looking at the numbers, so there’s no effort to decode the complex scale. But. I’s impossible to notice any production change if almost all lines are concentrated into 5 pixels in the very bottom. Now I have to switch off top production one by one until I examine all important things. That’s awkward. I want to see ALL production graphs at once. Logarithmic scale allows it.
Nevertheless, linear scale is useful too. I want them both. How about a simple checkbox on the corner?
planetmaker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:18 am
+1 from me as well. As an option or toggle button that would definitely help to get a better view of the different production levels
Adding my +1 to this as well - I think it's useful and important cause I get into the same issue of removing the top producers one- by-one too. Also making it a toggle option and not default will ensure is only used by those that want / need it for the above reasons
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:37 pm
by yesennes
+1 Came to this forum to find or make this suggestion. I found I wanted this trying to see if dips in rocket control units production were corresponding to dips in circuit production, but couldn't because when circuit production was displayed at the same time as rcu production, the rcu production only took up a couple of pixels at the bottom of the graph.
I think people might find the log scale to be more readable than they think. Mostly when I'm looking at the graphs, I'm looking for proportional changes, not exact numbers, and log scales still display that alright. And no matter how bad your brain is at reading log scales, I promise its worth at making sense of lines that change no more than a couple of pixels at the bottom of a huge graph.
Re: Add a logarithmic display option for production/consumption graph.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:25 am
by MEOWMI
+1
Not because it's necessary, but because it's so cool AND so useful!