Page 1 of 1
Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:01 am
by pichutarius
tldr
change upgrade planner to replace planner, allow entities to be replaced by other entities of same size.
why
1. we have cut, copy, paste. what is the next useful tool? replace (ctrl+H)
2. useful in other mods, especially creative mod. eg: void requester chest <-> normal requester chest
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:03 am
by NotRexButCaesar
Just so you know, the autotorio website exists.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:49 am
by ssilk
AmericanPatriot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:03 am
Just so you know, the autotorio website exists.
That’s nice, but is off topic!
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:29 am
by bormand
Why? I can't think about any situation where it would be useful to replace entity to a totally unrelated entity....
Upgrade planner already allows to replace anything belonging to the same fast-replace group. If the mod doesn't set proper group for a void requester chest, it's a problem on the mod side, imho.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:46 am
by Koub
ssilk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:49 am
AmericanPatriot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:03 am
Just so you know, the autotorio website exists.
That’s nice, but is off topic!
Well ... No : it allows to do exactly what OP is asking for.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:00 am
by bormand
pichutarius wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:01 am
useful in other mods, especially creative mod. eg: void requester chest <-> normal requester chest
Well, they already in the same fast-replace group, just hidden. Check "unhide items" in the creative mod settings and you will be able to use them in upgrade planner.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:40 am
by Kyralessa
It would probably help to have some concrete examples of where this would be useful.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:35 am
by pichutarius
AmericanPatriot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:03 am
Just so you know, the autotorio website exists.
only works for vanilla.
bormand wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:29 am
Why? I can't think about any situation where it would be useful to replace entity to a totally unrelated entity....
Upgrade planner already allows to replace anything belonging to the same fast-replace group. If the mod doesn't set proper group for a void requester chest, it's a problem on the mod side, imho.
not much in vanilla, maybe long/short inserter.
in mods, instead of expecting every mod-author do it properly, replace planner sounds like a more elegant solution, but thats just my opinion.
the argument against it might be clutterness, maybe a small checkbox "more items" somewhere in upgrade planner UI.
bormand wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:00 am
Well, they already in the same fast-replace group, just hidden. Check "unhide items" in the creative mod settings and you will be able to use them in upgrade planner.
thank you! if i had found this earlier, i probably wont make this suggestion.
Kyralessa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:40 am
It would probably help to have some concrete examples of where this would be useful.
creative mods.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:43 am
by bormand
pichutarius wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:35 am
instead of expecting every mod-author do it properly, replace planner sounds like a more elegant solution
I dunno, most mods already do it properly. It's a very important property, manual fast-replace doesn't work without it too and upgrading to next tier becomes a hell.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:32 am
by Kyralessa
pichutarius wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:35 am
Kyralessa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:40 am
It would probably help to have some concrete examples of where this would be useful.
creative mods.
I wouldn't call that a concrete example. What would you replace with what?
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:45 pm
by pichutarius
Kyralessa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:32 am
I wouldn't call that a concrete example. What would you replace with what?
viewtopic.php?p=536085#p536085
When designing this i frequently need to swap between vanilla entity with CM variant, for stress testing and checking bottleneck.
Example would be roboports, various chest, labs.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:14 pm
by Kyralessa
pichutarius wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:45 pm
Kyralessa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:32 am
I wouldn't call that a concrete example. What would you replace with what?
viewtopic.php?p=536085#p536085
When designing this i frequently need to swap between vanilla entity with CM variant, for stress testing and checking bottleneck.
Example would be roboports, various chest, labs.
You're talking about this mod?
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/creative-mod
Couldn't this be fixed in the mod if it designated its versions of things as fast-replace for the normal versions?
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:23 pm
by pichutarius
Yes. See previous discussion.
viewtopic.php?p=536124#p536124.
Re: Upgrade planner to Replace planner (ctrl+H)
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:40 am
by Kyralessa
Oh, sorry about that. I missed the import of that exchange.
