@Cyber, ninja'd xD

Well this thread really isn't quite about buffing quality so much as making a more natural progression. Epics and especially legendaries would be more difficult while uncommons would be less difficult. So quality early game would be easier, but making your legendary shattered ...

Yeah I was just talking about very early on. It is unlocked at green science and all other modules have a a lot of use at that point. Outright skipping module 1s is the best case in most scenarios, which feels odd.

Regarding scarcity of quality items, sometimes "purely optimal balance" isn't even ...

Just saw this after making my thread lol. Hmmm, I think my idea of just buffing quality % chance across the board while lowering higher ingredient rolls would be virtually identical, but be simpler. What do you think?

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Early game quality is pretty lackluster: there's no reason at all to use it on default settings and on harder settings you at best can get some quality mining drills, weapons, or armor. And even still before Aquillo, it tends to be very far down on the list for anything that isn't gear or spaceship ...

Some necrothreads are good. Some are not. This is the latter.

Yup. Solar is needed too iirc.

Not having nuclear on vulcanus is totally fine. It's got 300% solar polar and shorter day cycles, while having infinite iron/copper/sulfuric acid to make solar/accumulators. I just made a chest of solar and accumulators and plopped down a few thousand at once.

Having to use efficiency modules isn't ...

Unless there's some technical reason, I don't see why this wouldn't be an improvement. That said, is auto-sending surplus back down really such a big deal? Planet-side cargo bays are trivial to add and I'm assuming if the landing pad is near the rockets, they'll take from pad first, preventing an ...

The main reason I feel the biolab is long term is that typically while you're completing the game you tend to get all the technologies you need while you're building up the other planets. That is, unless you're speedrunning with premade blueprints anyways. I felt this way even on marathon research ...

Datarza, the speed is relevant because it directly means less joules used, which means less coal is used (fuel's power is measured in joules). Watts, and by extenions kw, are joules per second, so the speed is very relevant. Less seconds in the swing, means less joules used up in coal.

Necro, but I feel like this has a renewed issue in space age. While I've run into this issue a few times in the past in vanilla, I'm running into this even more with quality: Many times I'll have a quality mod 2 that I want to replace a non quality mod 3 with and manual is the only way.

If there's ...

Either way, you're kinda 10 years too late to the party here. Mods or another game are your best bet. I do genuinely recommend dyson sphere, it's a great game.

But even if this were a possibility in the base game, I don't see it being good either. Take a look at the proportion of players that play ...

Personally, I feel like the biochamber being improved would be the best balance for gleba. Why add new things when existing buildings are already lackluster. The biolab is great long term, but brings very little short term, so I think it's fine.

And the easiest way to improve the biochamber is just ...

Yeah for vanilla turrets, wube had a decade to balance them, if they didn't then they won't now. All I can say is someone on the team is obviously a pyro. For enemies, I think they're fine, but still: biters have been here a decade.

If you're interested in some advanced biter AI, I believe Rampant ...

I remember this being suggested a while ago regarding concave bot networks causing bot deaths/bad recharging choices, and the official response was "don't do that". Ultimately I think it's just impossible for performance reasons. You can't have 100k+ bots pathfind to their target, it's simply ...

Well, tuning doesn't have much to do with the merits of a feature. Elevated rails would be a good feature, whether someone thought it would cost a billion stone.

That said, if it is to be built anywhere, I don't personally think it should have improved research over the existing lab since that is a ...

It's there so you can use rocket turrets in space from gleba where you unlock them.

Well, considering promethium science packs don't really do much currently, I wouldn't shelve it as that unlikely.

As for the math, it absolutely is designed that the biolab would outmatch the promethium labs, as stated in OP, this is more for flexibility on where to build your labs.

That said, I ...

TL;DR
A post-endgame lab that is researched with promethium science, is fueled with biter eggs, can be built anywhere, has lower research speed, but higher module slots and power demands.


What?
This would add a somewhat side-grade biolab, allowing you to research anywhere with some constraints ...

The thing about fulgora is it has no enemies. So you can wander around as much as you like, find the perfect island, and reset your spawn by building the cargo landing pad. It only takes a few minutes to find a spacious island with nearby ruins that are accessible with just elevated rails, if you ...