I don't really think harshly nerfing pre-recycler quality use is justifed. The motivation is to try and discourage people from playing badly, but:
I doubt it will actually do much to discourage people from playing badly, it will just make them more frustrated
You are penalizing all the people who ...

I think you're underestimating the value of qual% to an upcycling loop.

If you're using, say, common quality 2 modules to upcycle something you craft in assembler 3's, and common productivity 2 when you can't use quality... your loop has to input roughly 48 sets of common crafting materials to ...

My own experience is even with the common ones, I'm still voiding more asteroids than I actually use.

The point where it starts to make sense is at a point in the game where a player can dispose of the asteroids in a way other than tossing them, which starts at Fulgora with a recycler but is ...

Next time when I visit a restaurant I'll tell them that I don't drink beer and I don't like that they have beer on their menue. Sure, I could just not order it, BUT it feels like that beer is staring at me ;-)

Really, you want an option for optional stuff ??????


To be fair, the Quality mod ...

Ouch. It pains me to see people upcycle things by recycling them into themselves rather than craft-recycle loops.

But doing it to something rare like holmium plates hurts so much more.

But it’s not like there are no benefits whatsoever; The other guy already gave several examples of useful early quality, and I believe there are more. Stick quality modules in the right places throughout your whole factory, set up the filtering correctly, and over time you will build up plenty ...

Early game quality is pretty lackluster: there's no reason at all to use it on default settings and on harder settings you at best can get some quality mining drills, weapons, or armor. And even still before Aquillo, it tends to be very far down on the list for anything that isn't gear or ...

I know how probabilities work, no need to be condescending by telling me that what i am seeing is not what i am seeing.

There is no condescension meant in the original post: people make mistakes. And this is an easy mistake to make and numerous others have made this mistake. There's even a (not ...

There is certainly a waste. When you recycle a product, you don't get the ingredients in same proportion. For example when i upcycle uranium ammo for dark green rocks, i get way more of the ammo back than i do green rocks, on every level of quality, so if i don't destroy it, my upcycling will jam ...

For your purposes, I think a timer would suffice, and when it triggers which you enable the tower for a couple of minutes then disable it again.

Incidentally, if you want to clean up pollution, my testing shows harvesting ASAP is the way to go. I'm not sure how confident to be in the way I tested ...

now I like this but the problem I have with biters is that they get very annoying and whenever one random medium biter starts eating something I have to walk my butt there to unload 3 bullets into that thing so this would get very annoying very quickly. I don't like perimeter walls because it ...

I did some experiments, and I expect the thing that distinguishes the things you've observed is they are recipe signals, not entity signals.

E.g. if you put a mash/jelly/nutrients signal on there instead of the three recipe signals, the recipe in the assemblers should get set to wooden box, like ...

Can you even do this manually? I would have thought you'd need to destroy a captive biter spawner if you wanted to place a higher quality one on the same location.

I went for legendary quality only. The reason: designing production for lower qualities would mean I have to create all these production lines all over again for epic, then for legendary - again. Designing the same thing 3 times, just for a higher tier. And creating just one tier is already too ...

Genuine question: what stops you from viewing, for example, a recycling loop as being a reasonable-cost higher-complexity way to manufacture quality items?

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That aside, I always found quality substitutes where you replace the system with higher-cost recipes for making higher-quality items as ...

The recycler's description includes the clause

... or turned to spoilage if they were biological.

But as far as I can see, that never happens. When I was looking at the recycling recipes, all of the biological items had a recipe that returns 25% of themselves when recycled, except for nutrients ...

I did another experiment to amplify the effect I observed.

Still doing a biochamber with no modules. I let the biochamber consume 60 nutrients. This should allow for 360 crafts. (4 crafts per nutrient + 50% productivity)

With a fast inserter (or two!), I complete 358 crafts and halt at 73 ...

I just did a test. A single biochamber making nutrients without any modules, a fast inserter removing nutrients.

Drop in bioflux. Drop in one nutrients.

This setup is consistently unable to complete four crafting cycles; the machine goes dead when the fourth one is at 99%.

Change the fast ...

FWIW, most of the deathworld maps I've rolled pre-2.0 also had biters nests on/near the starting patch.

While you can roll until you get a map where this doesn't happen, there is some fun to be had in working out how to avoid provoking attacks while you build to the point where you can clear out ...

I think he's asking for the QoL feature of having the option for the filters to toggle between a whitelist and blacklist, much like you see on inserters.

IMO, it's bizarre this feature doesn't already exist on other entities you can set filters for.