Theikkru wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:34 am

Reika wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:29 am

TurmOil

XD

I like punny names, as can be seen with some of my others: Oreverhaul, Factor-I/O, NauvisDay, TRe(e)Plant....

Maybe turn up the emissions on that one. (Yes, that's an option parallel to fuel_value, you probably already know that). Sulfur dioxide (the product of burning sulfur) is nasty stuff. :) Oh, I did. Eightfold. Should I triple that further? :P Here is the mod, by the way. https://mods.factorio.com/mo...

I have mostly abandoned this thread, but I am coming back to post one thing. One of the issues people raised with the sulfur-as-a-byproduct-from-heavy-oil idea was "what if your sulfur production exceeds your consumption, and so you end up with a mountain of sulfur you cannot use". Well, w...

I can't speak for anyone else but I would be ok (not necessarily happy, but ok) with the oil change if not for 3 things. I like the old oil, but I could understand focusing on what was needed immediately and getting the process right later on. (the new progression) 1. The way it was presented. It f...

Unless you want a head on a pike instead of arguments, it should not matter much who gives them to you? Generally speaking, people are not as good at conveying the opinions of others as they are at stating their own, and so, yes, it does matter to some degree; assuming for the moment that you were ...

Trust me, From a person who has Source access and can view more of the discussions that the devs have with each other than most people, V is actually one of the ones against the changes as they are (getting only petroleum) and the most vocal to having it changed. I'm not going to name any other nam...

I'm sorry that you feel this way, but the update was basically being held back by the oil changes. The final discussions took place today very shortly before we pushed the release button. How would it have helped the situation if I wrote a message at that point in some place other than the thread a...

... there was no post - from V or anyone else - here on the forums saying something to the effect of "we looked at all the options, and we still find the original idea to be best". Uhhhhhhh https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=446390#p446390 I missed that, but even still that came ...

I think the reason people are upset at the devs right now is that the update went live with the changes, and there was no post - from V or anyone else - here on the forums saying something to the effect of "we looked at all the options, and we still find the original idea to be best". The ...

Having played a game with the supplied mod through to Chemical Science, I have to say this is a fantastic update. Capture.PNG This is a simple Refining setup which has kept me fully stocked with Sulfur and Plastics - no mess, no fuss. Simply elegant. In fact I can see a scenario where I will only n...

Ha! Nice. Never tried though. Let me guess: to get rid of it, you blow the spill with a rocket launcher, right? No, you cannot remove it. You just have to wait until it evaporates, which takes a few minutes, depending on amount and liquid type. But you can build over it, as long as you are ok with ...

Yandersen wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:44 pm

manual building&deconstruction of tanks (which is essentially a pollution-free flare stack, isn't it?)

Not with NauvisDay.



Also, this discussion has gone fairly far off topic.

Natural gas and petroleum gas are not the same thing. The former is methane, and is found naturally. The latter is ethane (or in the case of Factorio, ethylene) and to my knowledge is not found naturally in any appreciable amount. It has to be extracted from crude either directly or via cracking. I...

#1 is a complete nonstarter - it is now extracting a refined product from the ground; you might as well have "plastic ore" and "sulfuric acid wells" at that point. Um, where does the PG comes from in reality then?.. 0.o It is one of many products of refining crude oil. Also: htt...

To what degree the multiple outputs are to be present or not could be a variable depending on the specifics of the solution IMO. The FFF changes are removing the multiple outputs completely, and only reintroduces them when a good long-term solution exists (with AOP and cracking), but as you have se...

I wounder nobody ever proposed to include batteries in the blue flask recipe. ;) I feel like they might have been in the recipe back in the day, but I can't recall for sure. They were. And that was changed in 0.15 to reduce the amount of sulfur (and thus PG and oil processing) needed for blue scien...

I wounder nobody ever proposed to include batteries in the blue flask recipe. ;) I feel like they might have been in the recipe back in the day, but I can't recall for sure. They were. And that was changed in 0.15 to reduce the amount of sulfur (and thus PG and oil processing) needed for blue scien...

The idea of Heavy only and adding cracking is nice, quite functional and quite sensible, but a double-step cracking just to get the gas seems to be wtf tedious as you need to put vast majority of heavy into gas that way. This is only true if you MUST have red chips in the blue science recipe. Why n...

The biggest downsides are "new player might have to rebuild" which I think is highly questionnable; a new player might only have a few refineries (very likely) so it is not much of a problem to adjust, or can just build a separate new setup elsewhere. This isn't random chance though; play...

Also, I cannot help but notice, you even acknowledge this: BOP refinery feels like a furnace but.... Is that not an enormous red flag for you? "This giant refinery which is complicated and expensive is operating topologically like the stone box you made at the beginning of the game"?