darkfrei wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:23 am

Are cargo wagons without trains allowed?

If cars are allowed, I would expect cargo wagons without trains are also allowed .

My factory is very exciting because it is uses a diagonal layout :D. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/579346716243787782/638965249063649281/unknown.png It uses cars as a handoff from the copper cable assembler to the electronic circuit assembler. For anyone else wanting to do this, you need to...

"Shady tactics" :). I'm still hoping that particular optimization makes it into the base game eventually. For anyone who is curious, here's some performance numbers for sleeping/non-sleeping cars and chests. This was tested back in version 0.17.32, so results may have changed since then. O...

Are sleeping cars allowed to be used? (Cars can be put to sleep to use as chests via console commands, and it cuts down their UPS usage considerably).

Awesome.

He answered it when I filed the same bug a while ago: https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70100 The editor apparently behaves that way due to how it iterates over entities to be removed (basically curved rails are checked before trains are removed so they stay, straight rails are ch...

So I had a thought (that might be dumb) on how to implement the behavior that farcast and I want. Would it be possible to create some kind of "virtual station" <train braking distance -1 tile> along the train's path from the waypoint station, and only consider the waypoint station to have ...

You got your point across effectively :) . I agree with you, and I think (I'll try it tonight if you haven't done it yet) that if the train was out of the shared block this would work in the expected way. So perhaps this is working as expected now, but it's definitely not the intuitive behavior for ...

Thinking about this some more (I can't test now because I'm at work) what is happening is that because the block with the circuit controlled signal on its output is so short, the train still hasn't cleared the original block yet therefore still reserving it. That's why it doesn't stop. I'm willing t...

I checked it, and I think you're right. It still does ignore the circuit controlled red signal in this demo even though it is held red prior to the train's braking distance arriving at it.

Video demonstrating the problem.

Probably worth filing that one as a separate bug.

The whole train signaling logic is built around the premise that only one train can occupy a block. I'm quite curious what would be your motivation and gain from trying to get more trains to the same block. I thought about it, and I think while possible , for more than two trains the method this bu...

After looking at this more closely and figuring out the interactions, I've made a video explaining what's happening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53t52o6i6Us

Aren't the lights by the rail signals supposed to be red when the circuit is holding the rail signals at red? At that resolution I can't tell if the circuit is controlling the 2 rail signals or not. Edit: found the problem: the blueprint is missing a green wire from the substation that's between th...

I tried to replicate it using your blueprint and instructions, but I'm not getting any collisions.

https://gfycat.com/CharmingMajesticIraniangroundjay

This is super interesting. If this is classified as not a bug then there are some very interesting things one could potentially do with getting multiple trains into the same block while still maintaining the usefulness of a signaled train network in the rest of the base. Curious to see what the dev ...

Did you actually figure out a way to get multiple trains that start in separate signal blocks to all enter the same block? I was wanting to find a way to do something like that but was unable to make it work (my efforts resulted in trains insta-braking at the signal when I tried it). Here was my try...

Nice find Stevetrov!

Yeah, I think the change was stealth merged in 4 or 5 releases ago .

So does this mean that there's a chance that now a train can end up deadlocking in the same scenario due to no-pathing while in the middle of an intersection?

Also, does this change at all impact the ease of making the change discussed in this thread?