[DLC] Сargo landing pad

[ALDK]

Why in game i can place only 1 cargo pad per surface?
Why was this restriction made?

If I want to bring a lot of resources from another planet, the most difficult thing will be to get them to the right places.
I'm afraid to imagine what will happen when I build city blocks and my base will be 10k x 10k chunks

maybe add opportunity build a lot landing pads?

Here is a mod that solves this problem:
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/a_lot_of_cargo_pads

[ezylot]

I can only speculate why it was descided like this, but I think it would destroy quite some logistical challenges when you can basically teleport items around by sending them to space at your production site and dropping them wherever you want on the whole map.

[shopt]

In https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-382 they outright confirmed that the logistics get too easy if you can have more than one per surface. So that's why they have this mandatory logistics bottleneck.

[ALDK]

I can only speculate why it was descided like this, but I think it would destroy quite some logistical challenges when you can basically teleport items around by sending them to space at your production site and dropping them wherever you want on the whole map.

What's stopping me in real life from sending resources into space and dropping them anywhere in the world? Flight duration to a certain point. Why isn't this limited in a way that will allow the base to be expanded?

[BlueTemplar]

Because gameplay > realism.

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-417

Regarding the landing pads, you can see one of the problems of the original design, where every landing pad was individually accepting some cargo from space. This had 3 main problems:

It was very annoying to manage each of the item requests individually.
Since the landing pads were not logistic providers yet, we tended to have this repeated pattern of landing pad → passive provider chest everywhere.
Since you could build landing pads anywhere, it felt a little bit too cheesy, to be able to drop items from space anywhere needed. This is one of the reasons why now we have just one expandable landing pad per planet.

Bare-bones Gleba with early landing pads and way too many harvestable types of plants.

[Panzerknacker]

Maybe if er can find a way to make it more managable with the logistic system we can have more landing pads again, IF we add a cost to drop items from space. Make it so that the drop pods needs to be crafted and sent up first before they can be used to drop items. The rockets are very cheap now so it should not be a problem really and it would also help fix the 'mining in space' imbalance.

[EustaceCS]

If I want to bring a lot of resources from another planet, the most difficult thing will be to get them to the right places.

Why not trains?
How's Landing Pad any different from naturally occurring resource patch?

[ALDK]

If I want to bring a lot of resources from another planet, the most difficult thing will be to get them to the right places.

Why not trains?
How's Landing Pad any different from naturally occurring resource patch?

theoretical maximum throughput of one platform on an infinite map. When you don't have time to deliver rotting objects to some point.

[shopt]

I wonder if a minimum distance between landing pads could be a solution? There's still a logistics challenge as you can't just spam them wherever you want, but there's no absolute cap on item throughput.

What I definitely don't want in Factorio is a mechanic that's close to teleportation. That starts to feel like abstract factories in a vacuum and is getting closer to dime-a-dozen clicker games.

[EustaceCS]

If I want to bring a lot of resources from another planet, the most difficult thing will be to get them to the right places.

Why not trains?
How's Landing Pad any different from naturally occurring resource patch?

theoretical maximum throughput of one platform on an infinite map. When you don't have time to deliver rotting objects to some point.

Ah, yes.
Let's delete half of the integral Gleba's mechanics "because".
It's sensible to keep your research cluster near your landing pad simply because you can't craft ALL packs on same planet, no?

[ALDK]

I wonder if a minimum distance between landing pads could be a solution? There's still a logistics challenge as you can't just spam them wherever you want, but there's no absolute cap on item throughput.

What I definitely don't want in Factorio is a mechanic that's close to teleportation. That starts to feel like abstract factories in a vacuum and is getting closer to dime-a-dozen clicker games.

Minimum distance between landing pads its really good idea. Moreover, there is even a limit of 1000, 10000 or 100,000 tiles. It's still better than the 1 per planet limit.
Just because mega base, without a solution, it will not be playable.
(In order to get to the edge of the world, you need 3 hours of driving on one locomotive. Without wagons
https://youtu.be/HzpUQZIr15g)


Also, it may be worth adding technology (infinite). +1 landing pad

[ALDK]

If I want to bring a lot of resources from another planet, the most difficult thing will be to get them to the right places.

Why not trains?
How's Landing Pad any different from naturally occurring resource patch?

theoretical maximum throughput of one platform on an infinite map. When you don't have time to deliver rotting objects to some point.

Ah, yes.
Let's delete half of the integral Gleba's mechanics "because".
It's sensible to keep your research cluster near your landing pad simply because you can't craft ALL packs on same planet, no?

There are many solutions to how you can keep the idea of Gleba, and not limit the player in such moments:
1) Minimum distance between landing pads.
2) Technology (infinite). +1 landing pad per planet.
3) Settings when start new world. limit 1 <-> infinity

[EustaceCS]

(In order to get to the edge of the world, you need 3 hours of driving on one locomotive. Without wagons)

Planet surface is infinite on default config, no?

There are many solutions to how you can keep the idea of Gleba, and not limit the player in such moments:
1) Minimum distance between landing pads.
2) Technology (infinite). +1 landing pad per planet.
3) Settings when start new world. limit 1 <-> infinity

Which problem will it gonna solve, specifically?
You know, the problem which isn't already-solve'able by trains or other means.

BlueTemplar provided a link to detailed explanation of why landing pad is a landing pad we currently know, use and sometimes love.
We players better have some damn good reason to ask for a change.
Instead of flooring it from start with "there are many solutions".
You know, there are also many solutions to sand eating.
But humankind does not utilize these.
Which is good!

[BraveCaperCat]

(In order to get to the edge of the world, you need 3 hours of driving on one locomotive. Without wagons)

Planet surface is infinite on default config, no?

In 1.1, the map had a radius of 1 million. That makes for a diameter of 2 million (or 2 million and one, not very sure) which makes for a total size of a 2 million by 2 million map.
In 2.0, I don't know what radius the (nauvis) map has, and therefore cannot determine the (nauvis) map's size.

Also, is the limitation on how many you can have per surface separate for each force?

[BlueTemplar]

It has to be, how else (long games of) PvP would work ?

Map used to be infinite, but then some people had fun crashing it using IIRC some teleportation commands, and IIRC Wube decided to make a limit (which I assume is the same on all surfaces) to combat potential MP griefing / to not have those pollute the crash reports they get ?

[ALDK]

(In order to get to the edge of the world, you need 3 hours of driving on one locomotive. Without wagons)

Planet surface is infinite on default config, no?

There are many solutions to how you can keep the idea of Gleba, and not limit the player in such moments:
1) Minimum distance between landing pads.
2) Technology (infinite). +1 landing pad per planet.
3) Settings when start new world. limit 1 <-> infinity

Which problem will it gonna solve, specifically?
You know, the problem which isn't already-solve'able by trains or other means.

BlueTemplar provided a link to detailed explanation of why landing pad is a landing pad we currently know, use and sometimes love.
We players better have some damn good reason to ask for a change.
Instead of flooring it from start with "there are many solutions".
You know, there are also many solutions to sand eating.
But humankind does not utilize these.
Which is good!

Main problem is the Limit! Limitation, for the sake of limitation.
Why then can there be many space rockets? After all, the logistics will be so simple?
After all, this allows us to launch resources from anywhere on the map to the platform, and from it to the center of the map?

And for some reason this is not a problem. )))

[ALDK]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/landing-p ... 4e2e6645ca
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/a_lot_of_cargo_pads
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/more-landing-pads

If it seems to you that it works strangely. Of course, mods have already been created.

[EustaceCS]

Main problem is the Limit! Limitation, for the sake of limitation.
Why then can there be many space rockets? After all, the logistics will be so simple?
After all, this allows us to launch resources from anywhere on the map to the platform, and from it to the center of the map?

And for some reason this is not a problem. )))

If you can Launch That Damn Rocket without limitations, you can do so.
Without mods.
Without even buying the game.
Just click on a rocket at website's footer.
Works at any page. Truly limitless.

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[BraveCaperCat]

Main problem is the Limit! Limitation, for the sake of limitation.
Why then can there be many space rockets? After all, the logistics will be so simple?
After all, this allows us to launch resources from anywhere on the map to the platform, and from it to the center of the map?

And for some reason this is not a problem. )))

If you can Launch That Damn Rocket without limitations, you can do so.
Without mods.
Without even buying the game.
Just click on a rocket at website's footer.
Works at any page*. Truly limitless.
Screenshot From 2024-10-21 11-06-37.png

*Only pages on the main website (factorio.com) and mod portal (mods.factorio.com) include this feature.

[kimbernator]

Unfortunately it does make sense to not allow multiple pads on the same surface, but it's causing a bit of a drag for me in terms of spreading out my base. Normally I would build wide and have trains running around doing everything, but I've found that it's really annoying to have to rely on this central thing which has a primary interface of robots. I tend to think it's a more interesting challenge to avoid bots, but it does feel like everything in this expansion has been built around them being used everywhere.

As an example, I was trying to figure out how to best get calcite to my iron smelting area on nauvis so I could switch to casting instead, but deflated slightly when I realized it would mostly just be bots flying it over from the giant requestor chest (landing pad) to a train. Obviously I could use an inserter to pull it out, but I wish I could have a more direct interface between my calcite supply and my iron smelting area ala Space Exploration's space elevator.