[MOD 0.15.x] T2k3's Bob's Overhaul

[T2k3]

Overhaul rings big, so what is this?
Well, maybe it sounds a bit too big and don't fit well, but for now i'll stick to the name. (i'm open for suggestions here)

First of all: this is a "forum-only-preview" for now. I would like to make it more stable and balanced (and i should probably talk to all involved mod authors?) before i let it loose upon the world. And, naturally, i would like to know if anybody is interested at all.

Now lets dive in what this mod is about!

In a broad view:
I ripped out many overpowered equipment and tuned down the overkill-factor of bobs. Then i took some other mod's and glued them together with bob's and added some new ores/buildings/recipes(lots)/things. And on Top of this i tried to cramp as many realism in as i could find and afford.

I tried to be as realistic as possible while delivering a good balance and gameplay. Since the start is a bit grindy i would like to know how other bob-vertrans feel about it. And while we're at it: especially the endgame should be a mixture of "having all the things" and "how to scale up".

In detail

bob's overkill
I changed the productivity situation drastically. The maximum you should be able to archive is a productivity of +60%. That's still massiv if you consider how many step's many recipes in bob's have. I archived this by limiting the modules to tier 4 and changed the module slots to a range of 1 to 3 for every assembler, chemical plant ect.
Beacons now go from 1 to 3 Modules and need more energy per tier. (up to ~1MW)
Also there are no gems involved in module creation anymore. Actually gems lose most of their importance in my mod.

I tuned down the bob-kill-them-all-armours as well. Namely i removed tier 4 and 5 of the armors, many tier 5 and 6 equipments, also all of the higher tier personal lasers. It's still pretty hefty when you reach the last tier's but i think running in a biter-mega-base should now be a bad idea. I also removed the gems from the laser-turrets and gave them a bit more uhmpf.

Also i changed the ore-stack sizes back to 100, to keep the part of the base game that ore's take more space.

SigmaOne's Nuclear
The whole nuclear industry is now much more complicated, and involves more chemistry, ore's and more realism. To be honest, this mod is more involved as a tribut and for the picture-donations.

However, the nuclear game completely changes in my mod. You'll need reprocessing in order to sustain a nuclear plant now, no korvex-cheat-process anymore!(sorry korvex) To make the game a bit sweater: you now can use Thorium! There is a legit processing for it included in my mod.

Actually i encourage everyone to klick all the ore's in bob's to on, since one way or another you can use em all now (well maybe you won't need sulfer)

Integration of AAI Industry
I stumbled upon this mod called AAI Industry and took some interesting concepts of it.

First, thanks to AAI we know start of with explosions and a wrack. So grab your bot's and safe this forest before all this sweet fuel goes to waste. Yes i give you a power-armor and construction bots, you'll need em. (You should start mass-producing motors asap btw.)

AAI give's my mod-pack a "burner age", skipping right to sweet power-lines is impossible. And so in this you'll fight your way up, what brings us to:

My own changes

I overhaul greatly how the science system works and smelting involves slag now. Don't fret! slag can be simply smelted to iron (and many things to slag, especially the later useless stuff). Later you can reprocess slag to all kind of things in an electrolyser. Aand! you'll get a tuned down "filter-inserter" called "picker-inserter" to make smelting setups simpler (you'll need the filter-inserter research).

The science system no longer works by offering materials to the science gods of factorio. Now you'll need to burn fuel/energy and electronics to let your mechanical brains do the work (lots of energy). This happens in something called "tech processor". To make it a bit more interesting (and realistic) the amount of science per cycle in the processor is pretty random ( probability, yay!)

Since you have massive amounts of iron and bricks left now, i changed the reciepes of assembler, insertert ect. so they 1. seam more realistic and 2. be much more expensive. Throwing out assemblers like pop-corn will be much harder now.

Misc stuff and final words

There are two new ores, a metric ton of new recipes to explore, fuel cells and to give you a goal to reach: We know have fusion reactors! yes! endless energy! (well, ok, almost endless) I changed almost half, maybe all, recipes in this game and bob's, so i would love to talk about all of them, but that would take till 0.16 to write.

My recent "playthrough" took me ~50h, well i'm still not at fusion power. I would really like to see how others scale up and if they fall in to the same "distractions" i layed out (yes, i fell for my own distractions ...) and if they manage to be faster.

For all who reached so far down here: thank you so much for reading! And if you, bob, read this: thanks for your great mod and even more thanks for your library-functions!

I see forward for all of your suggestions, bugreports and feedback!

Random Pictures

2.7 GW Fusion power plant

Midstage base

Prerequisite

Required

All of bob's (yes, go catch em all)
AAI Industry (only the Industry one)
SigmaOne's Mods: Nuclear

Optional (but recommended)

Squeak Through
Resource Spawner Overhaul
Long Reach Research and Crafting Speed Research (or something similar)
Flow Control and Flow Control for Bobs pipes
Day Night Extender
Warehousing v15

totally optional

Orbital Ion Cannon
M.I.R.V
Asphalt Roads
Dectorio
Noxys Trees (or similar)

Download Links

mod latest
t2k3_bobs_overhaul_1.0.2.zip

rso with mod config
rso-mod_3.4.5.zip

old versions
t2k3_bobs_overhaul_1.0.1.zip
t2k3_bobs_overhaul_1.0.0.zip

[aklesey1]

Theoretically? can ur expansion be compatible with angel's mods? Or are you not a adherent of the ideas of Arch666Angel? Just curious

[T2k3]

Theoretically? can ur expansion be compatible with angel's mods? Or are you not a adherent of the ideas of Arch666Angel? Just curious

Well "theoretically" i could make a version for Angels. The part that makes it problematic is the amount of recipes i would need to revisit in Angels. Angels has around 10x the amount of recipes of bob's. Not to speak of all the companion mods. If we talk about cutting out my fusion reactor and somehow get it into Angels, that would be pretty simple.

By the way i'm still working on my mod and this is so to speak the "alpha". If you got anything of angels you like and wan't it in bob's i could take a look if i add a "light"-version.

Edit: Just to be precise, i mean add a light version of it to my overhaul. Naturally for bob's you have to ask bobingabout.

[aklesey1]

Required

All of bob's (yes, go catch em all)

Seriously? Did you check all of them for compatibility?

Here's my error and all mods
https://yadi.sk/i/CZxzl3Vr3Pps6F

Factorio tells me that bob's modules have errors, WUT

[T2k3]

Seriously? Did you check all of them for compatibility?

Here's my error and all mods
https://yadi.sk/i/CZxzl3Vr3Pps6F

Factorio tells me that bob's modules have errors, WUT

Yes, all as in ores,enemies,inserters,vehicleequipment,plates,assembly,logistics,mining,modules,warefare. And yes as i uploaded it i tested it with all of the bobmods. The error you see there is the result of my messing with bob's. I rip out half of the modules but the mod that start missing it is the bobs one. And after a little test i see what went wrong :/ actually i didn't enforce that module settings i need.

I made the "ripping out"-part of my mod a bit bigger and stuffed all my changes since last time in. Now you shouldn't get any errors even if you enabled the raw/god-modules (since i rip em out as well)

https://thorsten.coding4coffee.org/fact ... _1.0.1.zip

As all is in flux, there are some major changes since last version, such as:

- simplified electronics
- removed fuel cell
- removed electric smelter ( i need to revisit the whole liquid metal story )
- changed smelting ratios
- mud pump added
- slag recipes have their own tech now
- renaming of all the ores, should still be obvious what's what
- even moar realism

As i said, i'm still working on it.

AND most importantly: thanks for your feedback!

[aklesey1]

Crap - https://yadi.sk/i/SDAkcLcy3Pqfu9 - to you still is over what to work T2K3
To tell the truth, I expect the birth interesting mod, it's necessary just to wait a stage when such inconvenient mistakes climb

[T2k3]

Crap - https://yadi.sk/i/SDAkcLcy3Pqfu9 - to you still is over what to work T2K3
Еo tell the truth, I expect the birth interesting mod, it's necessary just to wait a stage when such inconvenient mistakes climb

All begins are hard ^^ thanks for staying with me

And another. Tested with a unconfigured fresh install:

https://thorsten.coding4coffee.org/fact ... _1.0.2.zip

And in case you want to give rso a try, here is a version with a config for my mod:

https://thorsten.coding4coffee.org/fact ... _3.4.5.zip

I looked through your mod-list. And i want to point out that Bio-Industries and BobExtended might break the balance my mod tries to archive. I didn't really tested it through, so i eagerly await your feedback.

[aklesey1]

Crap - https://yadi.sk/i/SDAkcLcy3Pqfu9 - to you still is over what to work T2K3
Еo tell the truth, I expect the birth interesting mod, it's necessary just to wait a stage when such inconvenient mistakes climb

All begins are hard ^^ thanks for staying with me

And another. Tested with a unconfigured fresh install:

https://thorsten.coding4coffee.org/fact ... _1.0.2.zip

And in case you want to give rso a try, here is a version with a config for my mod:

https://thorsten.coding4coffee.org/fact ... _3.4.5.zip

I looked through your mod-list. And i want to point out that Bio-Industries and BobExtended might break the balance my mod tries to archive. I didn't really tested it through, so i eagerly await your feedback.

https://mods.factorio.com/mods/momosundeass/BobExtended
Oh sorry I completely forgot about Bob's Extended by MoMoSundeas mod - i left this mod because its works very good on 0.14 version but author - MoMoSundeas - not updated its so decided to leave it in mod pack, but if the bug was in it then I still would've disabled it

[aklesey1]

Hooray, at last its works
So what I saw, my rfeview with spoilers from mod
1) New ores
2) New metals
3) Saw fewer modules
4) May be idea of slag came out of the prototype stage - in your understanding for this mod
5) Science packs - the idea of crafting the science packs is simplified to the horror, the game simply ceases to challenge you to try to create a calibrated chain to craft science packs - well, this is very much a moot point in a box, i don't want to offend u at this question
6) 4 ways to craft common batteries - 4 CARL!!! OMG and why i need it& But ok, let it remains
7) Many types of fuel cells - thanks to SgmaOne's mod - I have yet to taste the essence of this mod
8) Using copper and iron ore as catalysts in oil processing - commendable, I approve
9) Liquid smelting and casting for iron tin and copper - i think its prototype for now
10) More realistic titanium processing with magnesium - commendable, I approve
11) Creating plastics from ammonia or from fluorite - moot point, I don't know what to say but can be useful
12) Functionality and craft modules were clearly cut - I can only say that I'm used to a sophisticated system of Bobingabout and I liked everything but I'll get used to it and then
13) 2 different ways to craft circuit boards

What I'd like to see after my wishes:
1) More applications for bronze
2) More applications for resin
3) More applications for rubber
4) More applications for bob's ceramics

Some questons
1) Application field of quartz ore was changed and its looks like its mining really hard, strange
For now in ur mod quartz is mixed ore with some another resources like magnesium or hydrogen fluoride
2) Another question is:

Will u make another separate mod (i think it must be exactly separated) to make it compatible with Angel's mods - you know, probably extremely inappropriate to compare Angel's mods with this creation - but i love angel's refining, smelting, petrochem and bio processing mods, especially petrochem - it was amazing when i try it for first time, what about refining mod with its 6 ores and their processing - when I started to learn it, it forced me to think hard

And yes ur mod reminds me about CMH mod, its for bob's mods too
And look at another amazing project for bob's mods - i don't ask for compatibility with it - this is a separate, pretty much closed system in game balance with its own interesting ideas (its own science packs - first 3 were reworked) - py coal processing viewtopic.php?f=94&t=32272 -bcuz bob's extended mod is a nursery so u understand

[T2k3]

Woha, that's a whole barrage of new ideas, impressions and constructive critics! Thanks so much for that! (i was pretty much starving for feedback till now)

First of, my whole angle in this mod is "it must be real" or it must be "realistic" hence the problem with bronze. As much as i searched it only industrial use i found was in petrochem for piping. In case of resin, rubber and ceramics was that i thought there were some heavy users already and i added rubber to belts. I guess i need to study angels,BobExtended,CMH and pY Coal Processing for a bit ^^

To your list:

1) i would like to add even more so you need to build a processing plant for them, a bit like angels. The problem here is a bit to find the right balance here.
2) well same as 1) if i could find realistic metals to use and balance them out, i would add all the metals ^^
3) yes, especially in the last iteration i balanced the mod in the way that ores yield less and modules are less powerful to get out of the bob's-overpower region and be more realistic
4) the point of slag is a bit that i assume that you create waste as you smelt stuff (as you do in reality) with you can reprocess to other stuff so you can balance a bit what you have or get small amounts of zinc and nickel early
5) well here was the idea to get it a bit more to "number crunching science" then "offerings to the science gods" i thought already about a something like "you new to put material in experiments" but that didn't got out yet. The other part here is that i made buildings much more expensive so you still need the iron. That lead to a somehow grindy experience and i'm not to sure if that's really enjoyable.
6) you would be surprised how many more types of batteries are out there ^^ the angle here was more of a "chose your poison"
7) makes the whole nuklear story pretty wide, sadly i never got to the point to use them all but since thorium was there and in reality i felt it must be useable in my mod
8) thanks here again, it's been there in reality
9) yepp, it is, still unsure to leave it in, make it mandatory or rip it out completely
10) see 8)
11) plastics is a big point, in a way you can convert wood to plastic with my mod and since i put it in all sorts of parts i thought i would be a good idea, but given how fast you can produce plastic with petroleum and chlorine i should maybe cut down a bit here
12|13) i tried to get the extrem curve of bob's circuits somehow under control but maybe there is another way. I'm not too happy with my solution since it goes against my realism ideal. But it clearly needs something to get the extrem curve of first to second tier circuits smoothed. The circuits printing was meant as a way to get a second way with is fast and uses other materials since you use them up for science like nothing. Here again its realistic but would mean you cut down of possibly productivity steps.

To your questions:
1) year the original usage shifted extremely from source of silicone to "what the hell could i use it for" there is some work to be done as well. There are some hardness and mining changes i did, you need water for example to mine gold now, but i can't remember that i changed quartz gotta investigate
2) well i guess for angels i would need finde a nother angle ^^ it would be a whole story in an on it self to "realism" angels. Should this one here be stable that would be a new fun journey i think. But one after a nother ^^

That all said and thrown at the world. Your input was very refreshing and made clear that my priorities are all over the place. Since my goal was to get as much realism in as there is, i would lean to throw out my "simplifications" and smooth the rest out with even more content ^^ as well my science system could use some more finess

Thanks again for all the input!