Assembling-machine with built-in productivity

[eradicator]

What?

Make .productivity part of the assembline-machine prototype.

Whaat?

Currently assembling machine prototypes can only specify three of the four "effect" types energy_consumption, crafting_speed and pollution while productivity can only be changed by modules. I'd like to be able to specify a base value different than 1.0 for custom assembling-machine prototypes.

Why

I would like to make low/high grade machines that consume more/less resources than usual. But as i can not control the modules in a machine and i do not want to generate several hundred new recipes to "fake" the effect having built-in productivity in assembling machines seems like the best way. As a bonus it would be nice if i could retain the ability to forbid additional productivity-effect from modules while still retaining the prototype-based productivity change.

If this is not feasible a "hidden" module slot that is not exposed to the player's GUI or alt-view would work too i guess. I'd still have to spawn in a custom module but that still sounds better to me than generating large amounts of new recipes for old things (which would also clutter the crafting gui).

I wouldn't mind if this functionality was only available on a custom subtype of assembling machines (i.e. an "automatic-assembling-interface" akin to the EEI) that allows more modding capabilities at the cost of increased processing time, as i expect (hope :P) that the player will only need a few of these machines.

[ratchetfreak]

maybe also allow as a research bonus. Like mining pod in vanilla

[bobingabout]

Sounds like a good idea to me.

maybe also allow as a research bonus. Like mining pod in vanilla

you mean research for productivity on assembling machines.

It would likely need to be treat similar to the gun damage bonus research where you specify what entities it effects, because a lot of machines (Chemical plant, Oil refinery, Centrifuge) are basically just assembling machines that work with different recipe lists.

[eradicator]

FFF248 says we should ask for more things, so here i am again ;).

[Optera]

Would be nice being able to have deep mines gain productivity from mining efficiency research even though they actually are assemblers producing out of thin air.

[eradicator]

Would be nice being able to have deep mines gain productivity from mining efficiency research even though they actually are assemblers producing out of thin air. :D

That would have to be locked behind some kind of flag. Normal assembling machines should not gain productivity from mining research.

[Optera]

Did you even read what i wrote before that comment?

Deep Mine is a mod that adds assemblers producing ore without input. For those your proposed flag would be ideal to tie them to mining productivity.

[eradicator]

Did you even read what i wrote before that comment?

Disregarding your less than friendly tone...
It is infact you who didn't read the opening post, and neither did you write anything "before" that.

I proposed a fixed built-in productivity bonus (like a built-in productivity module). If the bonus was affected by mining research it would be pointless for my concept. Your quarry problem on the other hand could already be solved using an actual drill, and spawning in actual (invisble) ore below it.

[Rseding91]

Conceptually I have no problem with this as mod support my only concern is making it work in a way that it doesn't effect runtime performance of the game.

I'll see if I can make it work and let you know.

[Arch666Angel]

Would be nice to have something like the category system, so you can have a modifier category on the entity/entities and then use the category as a tech multiplier for productivity/speed/efficiency

[eradicator]

Conceptually I have no problem with this as mod support my only concern is making it work in a way that it doesn't effect runtime performance of the game.
I'll see if I can make it work and let you know.

Thanks! :). Looking forward to a positive answer from you ;).

[TheBrain0110]

I'd like to second this request, and have the .productivity property available to mining drills as well. I was just thinking of making some advanced mining drills with a builtin productivity bonus, on top of the research-based bonus, but with no module slots. Basically like having a productivity module built-in.

[minno]

I also made a request for something like this: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=61539.

[TheBrain0110]

It seems like we've ended up with two different requests in the same thread. One for a fixed .productivity property for machines / drills / any arbitrary entity I guess, and one for a duplicate of the mining productivity research that can be applied to things other than mining drills.

They both seem to have interesting possibilities, is one more likely to be implemented than the other?

[EnigmaticAussie]

Conceptually I have no problem with this as mod support my only concern is making it work in a way that it doesn't effect runtime performance of the game.

I'll see if I can make it work and let you know.

I was going to make a similar request, as I would love to be able to make an "assembler productivity bonus" tech.

Was this looked into?

[minno]

Not as far as I'm aware. My mod (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/seablock-mining) works around this by making invisible beacons under the relevant entities with productivity modules in them.

[EnigmaticAussie]

Not as far as I'm aware. My mod (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/seablock-mining) works around this by making invisible beacons under the relevant entities with productivity modules in them.

Thanks, I'll have to mimic something similar some time.

[eradicator]

Not as far as I'm aware. My mod (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/seablock-mining) works around this by making invisible beacons under the relevant entities with productivity modules in them.

Thanks, I'll have to mimic something similar some time.

Btw, before 0.17 and the event of energy_source{type="void"} this wasn't a reliable workaround due to beacons requiring energy. (It also only solves half of my original post as it doesn't allow limiting a machine to *only* the built-in bonus, nonethless it's a good step forward :D.)

[Boodals]

I implemented this as a pull request a while ago (I have source access), and it was just accepted. It should be in 0.17.57. Pretty lucky too, I thought the devs wouldn't accept it until 0.18.

Added base_productivity to assembling machines, mining drill, and lab prototypes.
Added LuaEntityPrototype::base_productivity read.

[Optera]

I implemented this as a pull request a while ago (I have source access), and it was just accepted. It should be in 0.17.57. Pretty lucky too, I thought the devs wouldn't accept it until 0.18.

Added base_productivity to assembling machines, mining drill, and lab prototypes.
Added LuaEntityPrototype::base_productivity read.

To me this reads as if the productivity value was only writable in data stage, or does this allow creating an assembler based entity gaining productivity from research like mining drills.