Development and Discussion

[BlueTemplar]

(0.16) Seablock has changed the recipes to :

seablock_carbon.png (138.65 KiB) Viewed 8624 times

(Both Carbon and Charcoal are used in various smelting recipes,
also, Wood Bricks are made unburnable for some reason, and a requirement for wood poles...)

[ukezi]

Yeah the recipe to make wood from basically wood is a bit stupid indeed. Will be removed and I have to think about something else instead.

Didn't this used to make the vanilla wood boards not the wood logs?

[arbarbonif]

If I'm reading it right, the specialized tree creation still isn't worth it, even with the changes. You are giving up ~3 resin worth of wood to gain 1 resin (same with plastic). It needs to either not lose the wood or make more resin/rubber/plastic or something. Unless the thought is that not needing 1/2 of an iron is of sufficient value (from the bio-resin not needing to chop a tree up), which I'm not really seeing.

[mrvn]

I just got caught by the change to arboretums in a SeaBlock game. My whole power plant broke down because instead of wood I now get trees. And even if I fix that I think creating one iron takes close to or more power than 7 wood give. So arboretums as power plants seem to be a thing of the past. But that's a SeaBlock problem.

What I really want to discuss is that using one iron to make one saw to cut down one tree is just unrealistic. A saw is usually more durable than that and worst case you have to sharpen it.

Why not make the tree cutting recipe return a saw with 80% probability? So every 5 trees you need a new saw on average. And then add a recipe for a steel saw with 98% probability or something. Maybe in Bobs you could have a diamond saw that simply lasts.

I could also see a recipe that takes 10 dull blades + 1 stone => 10 sharp blades.

[babioraz]

is it intended that angel's bio processing algae mk2 farm crafting speed is the same as mk1?

[Ommand]

is it intended that angel's bio processing algae mk2 farm crafting speed is the same as mk1?

That seems to only be the case in Seablock.

[Molay]

What I really want to discuss is that using one iron to make one saw to cut down one tree is just unrealistic. A saw is usually more durable than that and worst case you have to sharpen it.

Why not make the tree cutting recipe return a saw with 80% probability? So every 5 trees you need a new saw on average. And then add a recipe for a steel saw with 98% probability or something. Maybe in Bobs you could have a diamond saw that simply lasts.

I could also see a recipe that takes 10 dull blades + 1 stone => 10 sharp blades.

I'd like to second this motion. Some form of recuperating the saws and getting them in working condition again (loop like coal filters) would be very interesting, and higher tiers lasting longer and needing less refits. 1 iron for 7 wood is really prohibitive, but wouldn't be so bad if there were higher tech alternatives yet to come.

[Harag]

Next up on the List is bio and then industries, but industries will probably just get a plain update to 0.17 cause the other changes are not yet ready for release and will take some extensive fixing with all the vanilla changed

I made the effort to get Angel's Industries running under 0.17. I would have just attached my proposed changes here but your "No Derivatives" license clause prohibits me from doing so. This is what I did:

• Fixed startup errors (updated science pack names and removed obsolete entity-flags)
• Removed all traces of intermediate components and research entities (Lua, graphics, l10n). They've always been incomplete and disabled, so my thought was to remove them now while they prevent the functional parts of the mod from being updated. You can always re-introduce them later or put them in a separate mod. This has the nice benefit of reducing the download size and making Industries stand-alone (no dependencies besides base).
• Added two settings to disable the crawler and the crawler train (they are enabled by default). This might help people struggling with VRAM usage.

[BlueTemplar]

Are you talking about these intermediate components ?

But yeah, these look like they should really be in a mod separate from the extra vehicles / drones... like it's the case for AAI Industry ? (Resurrecting Angel's Components and Tech ?)

[ukezi]

I made the effort to get Angel's Industries running under 0.17. I would have just attached my proposed changes here but your "No Derivatives" license clause prohibits me from doing so. This is what I did:

If you make a mod just changeing some stuff in angels and building on it that is not a problem, I think. Seabocks, MadCow's, PetroChemPlus and a few others do that. You just can't ship stuff from Angel's independently from Angel's.

[Harag]

Are you talking about these intermediate components ?

Yes those.

If you make a mod just changeing some stuff in angels and building on it that is not a problem, I think.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/ clearly states that one must not distribute derivatives. And I've not been okay'ed to do otherwise.

[Arch666Angel]

New resource system has been pushed to the portal, happy bug hunting. It includes the ore in ore functionality for vanilla.

I'll take a look at industries and the issues with bio processing next.

[DaleStan]

After updating, Angel's Refining refuses to load without Angel's Infinite Ores:

Failed to load mods: Path __angelsinfiniteores___/graphics/entity/ores-particle/ore-particle-1.png does not match any enabled mod.: __angelsinfiniteores___/graphics/entity/ores-particle/ore-particle-1.png

Mods to be disabled

• angelsrefining

If, instead of enabling Infinite Ores, I try to solve this by rolling back Angel's Refining (Now I have Angel's Petro Chemical Processing 0.8.2 and Angel's Refining 0.10.4, which may be expected to be broken) I get this:

Failed to load mods: __angelspetrochem__/data.lua:19: ...petrochem__/prototypes/generation/angels-natural-gas.lua:1: attempt to call field 'add_resource' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
...petrochem__/prototypes/generation/angels-natural-gas.lua:1: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'require'
__angelspetrochem__/data.lua:19: in main chunk
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'require'
__angelspetrochem__/data.lua:19: in main chunk

Mods to be disabled:

• angelspetrochem

Rolling Refining and Petrochem back, or enabling Infinite Ores, will make the game load again.

[Light]

Nothing loads without infinite ores installed. That's the only bug I've been encountering at this point.

[igorhgf]

After updating, Angel's Refining refuses to load without Angel's Infinite Ores:

Failed to load mods: Path __angelsinfiniteores___/graphics/entity/ores-particle/ore-particle-1.png does not match any enabled mod.: __angelsinfiniteores___/graphics/entity/ores-particle/ore-particle-1.png

Mods to be disabled

• angelsrefining

Same here.

[Harag]

I guess a workaround would be to add Infinite Ores and then to reduce the size of infinite ore patches to "None".
ChangeMapSettings can do that retroactively for an existing map.

But it's probably wise to backup your savegame before doing that

[Harag]

Angel's Smelting also dies with only bobsores and bobsplates enabled (the only optional bob dependencies of Angel's Smelting). It also needs bobselectronics to actually work. Dunno if the last one auto-enables an ore that would otherwise be missing or not.

Error ModManager.cpp:1294: Failed to load mod "angelssmelting": __angelsrefining__/prototypes/override-functions.lua:503: bad argument #1 to 'insert' (table expected, got nil)
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'insert'
__angelsrefining__/prototypes/override-functions.lua:503: in function 'execute'
__angelssmelting__/data-updates.lua:5: in main chunk

[The5thRider]

Hello

After updating angelsrefining and angelspetrochem, I got a load error like this
https://ibb.co/BzMyG2W

so I reverted to refining v10.4, and still got a load error
https://ibb.co/72zp39w

so I reverted the petrochem to previous 8.1, and got my game working fine.

look into that please, I'll be monitoring, but for now I"m using the old versions of these files.
my game's modlist is quite long, but still mainly all the most popular (Trending) ones.
I'm not using Infinite ores

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If You need anything more to help to fix this let me know.

Love your work
Highest regards.

[Vlad0s163]

Crash then start the game
Factorio v.0.17.25 mod`s version: 0.6.1
failed to load the following modes: error while running setup for recipe prototype "temperate-garden-cultivating-b" (recipe): Duplicate item products are not allowed {temperate-garden exists 2 or more times}
Angel`s Bio Processing

problem`s Screenshot

https://disk.yandex.ru/client/disk/Скри ... -56-10.png

[Vlad0s163]

Crash then start the game
Factorio v.0.17.25 mod`s version: 0.6.1
failed to load the following modes: error while running setup for recipe prototype "temperate-garden-cultivating-b" (recipe): Duplicate item products are not allowed {temperate-garden exists 2 or more times}
Angel`s Bio Processing

problem`s Screenshot

https://disk.yandex.ru/client/disk/Скри ... -56-10.png
mod crashed in v. 0.17.25, but not chashed in 0.17.24