Is there a proper way to test this one : viewtopic.php?p=625514#p625514 ?
It's probably similar to its flat version, but not all flat version can have a 100% elevated due to support placement.
3 and 4 way intersections
Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
What I would do is separately list the basic setups of using four Multicross pieces, or four Multicross Expanded pieces, without mixing them, so the tested throughput of each version can be compared easily, and just include the link to the full blueprint book on both entries (the link in my signature). You're welcome to include those 6-car size fully assembled sample BPs from the last post on each entry as well of course. My tests of the LHT versions gave basically the same results as RHT (just margin of error, I don't get anywhere near 500x game speed so mostly ran 90 minutes and a couple 240s of the 6-car sizes), but if you want to test them separately, feel free to assemble LHT versions (although I would just indicate that all the blueprints for both LHT and RHT are in the book, rather than posting a whole bunch of huge sample BPs).Factoriointersection wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:28 pm Yeah=) I was a bit unsure which to add aswell. Do you think I should add all variants to the set up? Or just link the book? I can test all and add them
Also... Just did a 4 lane Multicross Expanded for giggles, and holy cow this ends up SO much slimmer and nicer looking than before!
Throughput on set 3 really suffers though, far more than the 2 lane Expanded does (or maybe it's just that the 2-lane does surprisingly well on set 3). Not quite sure why there's so much difference.I've added a separate BP book with these 6, 8, 10, and 12 car sizes for RHT in the same share folder, in case anyone wants to play around with them. I'm not currently going to spend any time redoing the signals for LHT because I really don't consider these practical at all due to their sheer size, despite being slimmer than prior implementations (whereas the 2 lane versions are at least usable for optimizing a decently spread out 2 lane system, if you give yourself enough room when planning).
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Great=) I'll test and ad them=)Tallinu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:12 amWhat I would do is separately list the basic setups of using four Multicross pieces, or four Multicross Expanded pieces, without mixing them, so the tested throughput of each version can be compared easily, and just include the link to the full blueprint book on both entries (the link in my signature). You're welcome to include those 6-car size fully assembled sample BPs from the last post on each entry as well of course. My tests of the LHT versions gave basically the same results as RHT (just margin of error, I don't get anywhere near 500x game speed so mostly ran 90 minutes and a couple 240s of the 6-car sizes), but if you want to test them separately, feel free to assemble LHT versions (although I would just indicate that all the blueprints for both LHT and RHT are in the book, rather than posting a whole bunch of huge sample BPs).Factoriointersection wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:28 pm Yeah=) I was a bit unsure which to add aswell. Do you think I should add all variants to the set up? Or just link the book? I can test all and add them
Also... Just did a 4 lane Multicross Expanded for giggles, and holy cow this ends up SO much slimmer and nicer looking than before!
I've added a separate BP book with these 6, 8, 10, and 12 car sizes for RHT in the same share folder, in case anyone wants to play around with them. I'm not currently going to spend any time redoing the signals for LHT because I really don't consider these practical at all due to their sheer size, despite being slimmer than prior implementations (whereas the 2 lane versions are at least usable for optimizing a decently spread out 2 lane system, if you give yourself enough room when planning).
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
I want to see if I can mod in support for it. Maybe place another intersection with the same spacing then add that one manually with ramps and then press start. I think I only check for ramps when clicking the place blueprint button. Also for making safe output I have to add elevated rails untill safeoutput length with support and then a ramp. It shouldn't be too hard to support, I hope.mmmPI wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:42 pm Is there a proper way to test this one : viewtopic.php?p=625514#p625514 ?
It's probably similar to its flat version, but not all flat version can have a 100% elevated due to support placement.
Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Wondering how my roundabout compares in the test.
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
mmmPI wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:42 pm Is there a proper way to test this one : viewtopic.php?p=625514#p625514 ?
It's probably similar to its flat version, but not all flat version can have a 100% elevated due to support placement.
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Ah nice !! thank you ! i will try the testings, is it made to work if only the vertical or horizontal are elevated ? sorry for the stupid nitpicking, i imagine it's tricky to code and wouldn't mind if that wasn't the case x)Factoriointersection wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:52 pm So I got the elevated working=) Been working on that instead of testing=/
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
It treat every open rail seperate. so what the other open rails are it doesnt worry about. But if you have a ramp in the blueprint it will only do set 1mmmPI wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:03 pmAh nice !! thank you ! i will try the testings, is it made to work if only the vertical or horizontal are elevated ? sorry for the stupid nitpicking, i imagine it's tricky to code and wouldn't mind if that wasn't the case x)Factoriointersection wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:52 pm So I got the elevated working=) Been working on that instead of testing=/
Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Thanks that make sense.Factoriointersection wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:09 pm It treat every open rail seperate. so what the other open rails are it doesnt worry about. But if you have a ramp in the blueprint it will only do set 1
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Hey my man=) I got around to test it=) So compared to the 1.1 intersections, it scores a bit lower than the best 2 lane unbuffered intersection. But its a 4 lane intersections. The main cause is the shared block in the center. (also I see the spacing struggles if there are 4 lanes with multiple spacings as 13 is the average spacing)
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Please add the Roundabout (4/6/8) as a baseline
And roundabout with straights
And roundabout with straights
Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
I have made a 4-Track - 4-Way intersection inspired by the 8-lane Omega-Cross already posted here by tbterra. I eliminated half the lanes, and redesigned some of the layout for greater space efficiency. I have designed both RHT and LHT versions of the blueprint. I would love for this to be included in the rankings.
Size: 276x276
Spacing: 2 tiles
Train length: 2-4
RHT: Set1: 214.90, Set2: 211.73, Set3: 213.59, Score: 213.40
LHT: Set1: 213.40, Set2: 211.10, Set3: 213.77, Score: 212.75
Omega-Cross- 4-Track - 4-Way - RHT
Omega-Cross - 4-Lane - 4-Way - LHT
Below I have attached pictures of the intersection, and the testing results for RHT and LHT. This is the first intersection I have signaled. If anyone has any suggestions or corrections for better signaling, please let me know!!!
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Omega-Cross- 4-Track - 4-Way - RHT
Omega-Cross - 4-Lane - 4-Way - LHT
Size: 276x276
Spacing: 2 tiles
Train length: 2-4
RHT: Set1: 214.90, Set2: 211.73, Set3: 213.59, Score: 213.40
LHT: Set1: 213.40, Set2: 211.10, Set3: 213.77, Score: 212.75
Omega-Cross- 4-Track - 4-Way - RHT
Omega-Cross - 4-Lane - 4-Way - LHT
Below I have attached pictures of the intersection, and the testing results for RHT and LHT. This is the first intersection I have signaled. If anyone has any suggestions or corrections for better signaling, please let me know!!!
BP Image:
Omega-Cross- 4-Track - 4-Way - RHT
Omega-Cross - 4-Lane - 4-Way - LHT
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Propeller 2 lane RHT 2-4 Spacing 8 160x160
Fairly compact elevated 4 way cross style intersection, arms of the 5x5 chunk cross are 1 chunk thick making for clean corners in a city block layout. Scores a little over 100 in most tests.
Fairly compact elevated 4 way cross style intersection, arms of the 5x5 chunk cross are 1 chunk thick making for clean corners in a city block layout. Scores a little over 100 in most tests.
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
I have added presorting to my previous minimal conflict intersection design (viewtopic.php?p=628130#p628130)
This boosted performance from 101 to 110 trains per minute. It does require 16 ramps instead of 8 but it is still quite compact.
This boosted performance from 101 to 110 trains per minute. It does require 16 ramps instead of 8 but it is still quite compact.
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Awesome=) I added all. The elevated etc. Have to change the name, maybe two plane?
I added a couple of the multicross. I want to add all with all the different train sizes, but that was quite many to test.
I also added the elevated mmmPi atm its in one plane.
I added a couple of the multicross. I want to add all with all the different train sizes, but that was quite many to test.
I also added the elevated mmmPi atm its in one plane.
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
That makes sense to me, then we are ready for the eventual mod that will add a 3rd levelHave to change the name, maybe two plane?
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Haha, yeah 3 plane would be funny=) I'd argue that in the test they would be the sameLocutus123456 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:40 pmThat makes sense to me, then we are ready for the eventual mod that will add a 3rd levelHave to change the name, maybe two plane?
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Indeed, especially for 2 lane traffic its is already easy to resolve all same plane intersections. 4 lane intersections might get a lot smaller though.Factoriointersection wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:39 pmHaha, yeah 3 plane would be funny=) I'd argue that in the test they would be the sameLocutus123456 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:40 pmThat makes sense to me, then we are ready for the eventual mod that will add a 3rd levelHave to change the name, maybe two plane?
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Sorry for spamming, but I was not quite happy about the aesthetics of my presorting minimal conflict intersection so I wanted to share V2. I also scores slightly better.
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Re: 3 and 4 way intersections
Earlier today I posted an intersection that is designed for 2 lane traffic, I realized that the presorting lanes for incoming trains could potentially process more traffic. This is because it simply is a 3 way split of a single inbound track.
I therefore decided to add a little adapter outside of my original intersection that would allow presorting and merging without same level crossings. This worked better than I expected, bench-marking on par with dedicated 4 lane intersections that are currently top ranking on this forum whilst maintaining a compact footprint.
Maybe I should also design a 6 lane adapter to see how far I can push this intersection. But that would require a design to switch the 3 incoming or outgoing tracks without crossing which might turn out a bit bulky.
Added bonus of this design is that it can easily mix 2 lane and 4 lane traffic by either including or excluding the adapter depending on traffic in a specific direction.
I therefore decided to add a little adapter outside of my original intersection that would allow presorting and merging without same level crossings. This worked better than I expected, bench-marking on par with dedicated 4 lane intersections that are currently top ranking on this forum whilst maintaining a compact footprint.
Maybe I should also design a 6 lane adapter to see how far I can push this intersection. But that would require a design to switch the 3 incoming or outgoing tracks without crossing which might turn out a bit bulky.
Added bonus of this design is that it can easily mix 2 lane and 4 lane traffic by either including or excluding the adapter depending on traffic in a specific direction.
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